From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jan 15 22:49:15 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ED411499478 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 22:49:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.117.100]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E5A276F6B for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 22:49:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from liminal.local (unknown [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:2572:5c82:1608:197a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client 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In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="QQEx6UNNcXXEJlrG86AhlflQO4L2XZH2n" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 1E5A276F6B X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.89 / 15.00]; local_wl_from(0.00)[FreeBSD.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.89)[-0.893,0]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20712, ipnet:81.2.64.0/18, country:GB] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 22:49:15 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --QQEx6UNNcXXEJlrG86AhlflQO4L2XZH2n Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="AbXobJcHJYQ3isWgwHguw5MgfLa0xbxRR"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <169b6da2-167b-929a-2cb3-33a80f58e185@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: ZFS for raid References: In-Reply-To: --AbXobJcHJYQ3isWgwHguw5MgfLa0xbxRR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 15/01/2019 21:48, Paul Schmehl wrote: > If you're going to setup drives with zfs for raid, do you need a > hardware controller? My impression is that you don't, but I want to kno= w > for sure before I order a server. ZFS provides all the functionality you'ld otherwise get from a RAID controller. What you need hardware-wize depends on how many drives you need to manage. If it's just a few then you might be able to use the SATA headers on your motherboard. If it's many drives then what you need is a Host Bus Adapter (or several) -- if you're undecided about ZFS and want the option of switching to a RAID card, there are some RAID cards can be reflashed as HBAs and vice-versa. Although generally the experience with ZFS is that it beats out HW RAID pretty much across the board. Some RAID controllers have a pass-through mode which effectively presents the individual drives to the OS. This isn't a bad choice. If you're stuck with a RAID controller with no possibility of reflashing or pass-through mode, but you really want ZFS, then it is possible to make each drive into a single-disk RAID array and manage those via ZFS, but this is non-ideal. ZFS works best when it has maximum access to each of the individual disks, and single-disk RAIDs interfere with that. What you certainly do need with ZFS is plenty of RAM, as ZFS makes extensive use of RAM for caching or bufferring disk IO. Somewhat counter-intuitively though best performance results are often obtained by limiting the amount of your RAM that ZFS can monopolise, since that leaves more memory available to your application software. > If there's no raid controller, can you setup raid using zfs during the > OS install? If you boot from the cd/dvd, do you get the option to > configure raid using zfs? Sure. The installer lets you allocate disks to your zpool, and create various types of mirroring, striping, raidz, raidz2, etc. ZFS is pretty forgiving, and it is possible to do quite radical surgery directly on the zpool you're booted from without needing to reboot the OS. 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