From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 30 3:26:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from Sixty.hatvany.com (sixty.hatvany.com [168.103.120.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D01837B404 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 03:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hatvany.com (h00aa00b76a78.ne.client2.attbi.com [66.31.107.187]) by Sixty.hatvany.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA41910 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 06:26:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from Charles@hatvany.com) Received: from HatvanyDomain-Message_Server by hatvany.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 30 May 2002 06:26:23 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 06:25:50 -0400 From: "Charles Hatvany" To: aparsons@abacom.com, george@durham.net, pamela.p@opendns.biz Cc: anita.archambault@bell.ca, diane.cincar@bell.ca, f.dubois-beauchamp@bell.ca, ispchat@bell.ca, j.steele@bell.ca, joanne.page@bell.ca, joelle.picard@bell.ca, julie.allain@bell.ca, julie.taylor@bell.ca, ken.white@bell.ca, leslie.williams@bell.ca, marc.morin@bell.ca, mike.gosselin@bell.ca, sheila.ward@bell.ca, sherwood.flemming@bell.ca, stephanie.riley@bell.ca, caip-members@caip.ca, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, list@iip.ca Subject: Re: Excess Capacity Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I don't know about you guys "North of the Border", but the Telcos South of = the Border have to file their rates and be approved both at the state and = the federal level (two different deals) to get what they call tariffs. = They can sell you at these tariffs, but cannot discount their rates, = except as described in the tariffs (Usually for different length contracts.= ) All others also use the Telcos for the local loop portion of all high = speed connections. Charles Hatvany Charles Hatvany Charles Hatvany and Associates, Inc. 25 Newport Street Arlington, MA 02476-6298 Voice: 781-648-4100 Fax: 781-643-1210 E-mail: charles@hatvany.com Web-site: http://hatvany.net and: http://hatvany.com >>> "Pamela Patterson" 05/29/02 06:00PM >>> This happens after a long day at two keyboards, and 4 monitors. How about this for a comment? Its not in the Telco's best interest to sell at great prices to ISP's. = They want it all! Cheers. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Ramos" To: "'Pamela Patterson'" ; "'Alain Parsons'" Cc: ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; = ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 02:30 Subject: RE: Excess Capacity > I'm sorry Pamela, I don't get your point. I get my pricing from ISPCHAT, > these guys are not fat cat salespeople, they are actuallt our support people > at Bell. > Why would they behave in the fashion that you described?...., I mean, in > theory there is no reason for that... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pamela Patterson [mailto:pamela.p@opendns.biz]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 5:44 PM > To: Alain Parsons; George Ramos > Cc: ispchat@bell.ca; julie.taylor@bell.ca; julie.allain@bell.ca; > marc.morin@bell.ca; mike.gosselin@bell.ca; joanne.page@bell.ca; > sherwood.flemming@bell.ca; leslie.williams@bell.ca; ken.white@bell.ca; > sheila.ward@bell.ca; j.steele@bell.ca; anita.archambault@bell.ca; > f.dubois-beauchamp@bell.ca; joelle.picard@bell.ca; > stephanie.riley@bell.ca; diane.cincar@bell.ca; list@iip.ca; > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; caip-members@caip.ca=20 > Subject: Re: Excess Capacity > > > How many Clec's do you think there are with "Excess Capacity" and marketing > people refusing to sell it ? How many colo's are vacant but, the sales guy > wants that one big sale, so no discounts? We see it all the time. Sales = & > Marketing (Price Fixers) have driven many a CLEC to bankruptcy. > > On another note: Tommorrow I think is the day the CRTC is supposed to issue > a ruling on the fee's Clec's pay to ILec's. Should be interesting. > > Pamela Patterson > > * We are Sales Driven - Not Process Driven * > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org=20 with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message