From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 10 6:35:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1578737B405 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 06:35:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fBAEZOW29553; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:35:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:35:24 -0500 From: Michael Lucas To: D J Hawkey Jr Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tangent for discussion: FreeBSD performs worse that Linux Message-ID: <20011210093524.A29538@blackhelicopters.org> References: <20011209100855.A22942@sheol.localdomain> <20011209084620.V14858-100000@coredump.scriptkiddie.org> <20011209111523.A23357@sheol.localdomain> <20011209175137.B13554@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20011209121703.A23726@sheol.localdomain> <20011209172652.A25745@blackhelicopters.org> <20011210074151.A29219@sheol.localdomain> <20011210085038.A29274@blackhelicopters.org> <20011210082912.A29365@sheol.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011210082912.A29365@sheol.localdomain>; from hawkeyd@visi.com on Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 08:29:12AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 08:29:12AM -0600, D J Hawkey Jr wrote: > You did, eh? Hmm. It didn't show up in the INN mirror I monitor (sol.net > Network Services, Milwaukee, WI). Sorry. Ah, INN. It made it to the mailing list. > As long as the user/admin understands that the patch is very target- > specific, yes. If the target has moved a little, though, things may well > get a bit hairy. I guess I don't want "caveat emptor" as the fallback > position I would have to assume, though I'd make myself available to > help with such cases. Well, here's something most people don't really realize: "caveat emptor" is the default FreeBSD fallback position. We don't guarantee any support of our product. These higher-level admins you worry about should know darn well the implications of their actions. And there's always a worst-case fallback; blow away /usr/src and reinstall from known good media. > Hopefully. And yes, the "rather elderly" would be potential targets. > Isn't that the point of all this, after all? True. My point is, you must start somewhere. > When I've got the site up, who (or what mailing list) do I want to notify? If at all possible, take out a full-page ad in the New York Times. FreeBSD could really use the exposure. Failing that, a posting on this list would be fine. :) ==ml -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message