Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 04:33:20 +1000 From: Sue Blake <sue@welearn.com.au> To: Rick Hamell <hamellr@heorot.1nova.com> Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbies web page [was: -newbies] Message-ID: <20001015043318.F2537@welearn.com.au> In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0010130917241.24921-100000@heorot.1nova.com>; from Rick Hamell on Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 09:26:43AM %2B0000 References: <20001015034050.E2537@welearn.com.au> <Pine.BSF.4.21.0010130917241.24921-100000@heorot.1nova.com>
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On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 09:26:43AM +0000, Rick Hamell wrote: > > > (First, I'd like to request that freebsd-chat be removed from the > > headers of replies. This is a freebsd-newbies discussion, and newbies > > might not realise that posting to several lists at once is generally > > discouraged. FreeBSD-chat is mostly for non-FreeBSD chat that spills > > over from the technical lists where it becomes off topic there.) > > I'd prefer not too. I believe this discussion is not limited to > just -newbies. It affects everyone involved with the FreeBSD > project. As it stands now, we effectivley have two technical lists. That > needs to be fixed. > > > > Yes, we also should try to get the -newbies Web Page updated... > > > http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies. > > > > All you need to do is send me ideas for change, and it'll be done. > > I've mentioned this to newbies over and over. Nobody has ever done so!! > > Sue... when was the last time you actually did? Yesterday. Try looking in the weekly FAK, and the first paragraph of the newbies page. > Like I said, I've not seen a post from you in quite some time. After badgering the list about newbie-derived suggestions for the page for over a year with no response, I decided to stop spamming about it. Shoot me. > I'd be willing to guess that there are many new people here since you > last posted that. Please don't think I'm slamming you, but I do not > believe you can make a statement as above. Fine. I seem to remember you being a newbie, oh, a couple of years ago? > > We do need to have a central starting point for newbies on the FreeBSD > > web site. While I've received many notes of appreciation, the support > > for this, in terms of contributions suggestions or ideas, has been > > consistently underwhelming. > > Because, newbies are still trying to figure out what they > need. It's a Chicken and Egg problem. By the time you know what you need, > you've found it and don't need the newbie page anymore. :) Sure, That's why we need one central FreeBSD-hosted web page, AND it needs to be supported. That means pointing to it instead of just other places, too. Your argument is sound. > > You guys have to learn that you are not consumers. You get what you > > want by collaborating on it and then getting up and _doing_ it, or > > at least helping out those who are already doing stuff. > > This is the real world. You don't have no Mummy round no more. > > Live with it. Learn to thrive on it. > > Um... that's why I personally am trying to fix the problems with > -newbies. That's why I've created my webpage with good links for > newbies. Good on you! Well done! This is a good example of what we're talking about. How about linking back to the FreeBSD Newbies page so that they know it's there? I know you adore the newbies page, because you've never submitted any improvements. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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