From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 09:27:40 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27349911 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:27:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.grem.de (outcast.grem.de [213.239.217.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 67E9E8A1 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:27:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 15477 invoked by uid 89); 19 Feb 2015 09:20:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.250.192?) (mg@grem.de@88.217.180.225) by mail.grem.de with ESMTPA; 19 Feb 2015 09:20:57 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: default pager (csh) From: Michael Gmelin X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (12B466) In-Reply-To: <54E59BF7.40207@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:20:57 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <04CE7196-9CD7-4437-BDA1-CA842F4A2A6E@freebsd.org> References: <54E5232F.3060409@delphij.net> <54E59BF7.40207@freebsd.org> To: Julian Elischer Cc: Davide Italiano , FreeBSD Hackers , freebsd-current , "d@delphij.net" X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:27:40 -0000 > On 19 Feb 2015, at 09:16, Julian Elischer wrote: >=20 >> On 2/18/15 3:41 PM, Xin Li wrote: >>=20 >> The _only_ reason that I can think of is that more(1) does not clear >> screen for certain terminals (done with 'ti' and 'te' sequences), >> while less(1) when running as less does. >>=20 >> The less(1) behavior can be annoying to some people (sometimes even >> myself when using less to show contents of a file and ^Z to paste >> them), and unfortunately quite a few of them also happen to be the >> more vocal ones when it comes to a change. >=20 > I find that behaviour infuriating >=20 > I page down to a place to get some text on the screen to use as a referen= ce, then exit to run a command with that information, and *bam* the info I w= anted to use has gone away. Yeah, that drives me nuts too, Debian had (has?) this and it's a no-go for m= e. Changing options for man would be nice though, so finding something near t= he end of the page won't exit the pager.