From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 9 06:58:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44CA21065677 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 06:58:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ansarm@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDC788FC14 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 06:58:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ansarm@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so3931592ywe.13 for ; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:58:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:cc:references :in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=dsDSyEH79VARo7gVX0xdt4VJok7t4GmKyAMz/WR+zRU=; b=EEGS6KIzOoMb1xzqIfS/TuC0D0YKHiuoA/Y994kOBH76+/FRuiMnQIq8tB7UU6vG5V A4mfQU/bFDN5q/uDDJ7+7djLVnXmr0n2o7mvlnIFSfW2Q6j3VhioZ1LjKfkbKnif+4vX ImOY7mVpRunlU6DmSjhj0i8++IVkU0ay4Q8fI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; b=uJpkKFhPrnqoQ+9s4dSwzOOcR6XygrYyvGrr1dcmXib1z8DioEmAPhx9GLkZR3Fh4q 8V6fub43+5Qv3Ww8qLzOKxgw256yOpGX61TsyiWghiaJDRxnDk2K04FhmTVprEDLK6nZ wulSdHZ6NeeKrbCcjuW2e5uYT2JoHF54S+tYY= Received: by 10.65.218.13 with SMTP id v13mr18018533qbq.69.1231484313253; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:58:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from vms1 (206-248-190-95.dsl.teksavvy.com [206.248.190.95]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 12sm13850934qbw.9.2009.01.08.22.58.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:58:32 -0800 (PST) From: "Ansar Mohammed" To: "'Steve Bertrand'" , "'RW'" References: <036001c971dd$e025e220$a071a660$@com> <20090109034737.5039be14@gumby.homeunix.com> <4966CF99.4030400@ibctech.ca> In-Reply-To: <4966CF99.4030400@ibctech.ca> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 01:58:29 -0500 Message-ID: <048b01c97227$ae2d86c0$0a889440$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclyESIqM3yHF50dQZWpFQgRQviNBwAFhEWQ Content-Language: en-us Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Sun sucks X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 06:58:35 -0000 Steve, we have ports for a reason. So that it's EASY to compile and deploy apps on FreeBSD. If we need to fireup a web browser register on a website wait three months for approval then go to 3 separate sites to MANUALLY download the software and transfer it to FreeBSD, what's the bloody point? Abiding by the software license I agree with, clearly there is no room there. But why is this process so utterly retarded for something as critical and common as Java? -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Steve Bertrand Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 11:16 PM To: RW Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sun sucks RW wrote: > On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:10:10 -0500 > "Ansar Mohammed" wrote: > > >> After registering Sun complains that they don't like my ID and I need >> to provide more information. I create another account. Same problem. >> After 3 months I finally get an email saying they want clarification >> on the acronym for my company. > > > Well there's your problem. You gave them too much information in the > first place. I usually just make-up a name as a matter of principle. > > Just create a new account for some made-up name, don't specify any > company, download your file, and then (if you really care) go through > the hoops afterwards. Improper subject, wrong attitude. If one wishes to use a license from another product that is outside of the BSD license scope, then follow it properly. FreeBSD ( && personnel) does a magnificent job of keeping outside-licensed code and objects separate from itself, and I'd rather jump through burning hoops of flame to 'add on' to the system to mend it to my needs, as opposed to having the system, and possibly its users, face legal ramifications later... If you need outside software that requires reading any sort of an 'Agreement', then follow the 'Agreement' until you get rights to use the software. FreeBSD isn't about 'easy'. It's about 'right'. Installation methods print out information about external licenses for a reason. Ask those external places how to get around their sign-ups...don't ask here. For that matter, don't answer such questions here, either. Steve _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"