From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 08:54:25 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7A2F16A4CE for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 08:54:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www.cyclades.de (mail.cyclades.de [62.225.173.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30F5543D5A for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 08:54:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mh@kernel32.de) Received: from pd9e0e027.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.224.224.39] helo=[192.168.100.104]) by www.cyclades.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CZQFd-0004nq-00; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 09:54:17 +0100 Message-ID: <41AD8657.9050308@kernel32.de> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 09:52:39 +0100 From: Marian Hettwer User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (X11/20040928) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Pressey References: <20041129024602.GA23324@turingmachine.mentalsiege.net> <1101748454.41ab58e61eb88@imp2-q.free.fr> <1101788709.41abf62519b57@imp2-q.free.fr> <20041130002603.692153b7.cpressey@catseye.mine.nu> <20041130145130.0aa893f1.cpressey@catseye.mine.nu> <20041130164804.6f2be049.cpressey@catseye.mine.nu> In-Reply-To: <20041130164804.6f2be049.cpressey@catseye.mine.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The beastie boot menu. X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 08:54:26 -0000 Hej All, and to add something to that thread ... Chris Pressey wrote: > On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 01:25:17 +0100 > Brad Knowles wrote: > > >> If you're seeing confusion and floundering on cvs-src that I'm >>not seeing on the lists I monitor, then perhaps it's only some of the >>developers that are confused, and everyone else is just fine. > > > Quite possible. What I'm suggesting is that *all* the developers would > be on the whole *less* confused if they had a better mission statement > to refer to. And that's all I'm suggesting. > Why doesn't someone ask for instance Yahoo. As far as I know they have the largest FreeBSD Serverfarm worldwide. (Correct me if I'm wrong). Ask them "Why do you use FreeBSD instead of Linux?" Maybe there answer could help the project in identifing themself. Maybe some goals of the Project are getting more obvious. Yahoo was just one example. Pick some other large company who uses FreeBSD as there core. As far as I know, Nokia uses FreeBSD on their Firewall Appliances (although I would prefer to have OpenBSD on these boxes...). This whole thread is partly about PR / Marketing. Ask our "customers", as in corporations using FreeBSD, why they do so. Then watch out wether some of their statements would fit into "our", as in the community, the core-team, philosophy why using / developing on FreeBSD. And ultimately, write down the Project goals. Just my thoughts :) best regards, Marian PS.: I'm no corporate user of FreeBSD, I just like it better than any Linux Distribution and I'm using it wherever I can. At work, at home.