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[59.101.167.38]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i126sm4866689pfc.29.2019.11.07.21.24.43 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 07 Nov 2019 21:24:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Creating /etc/os-release To: Warner Losh Cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org References: From: MJ Message-ID: <360ef4fc-235e-26ba-07d0-3983cbd7f1cf@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 16:24:22 +1100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-AU X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 478TH35S55z3Pg7 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=MVPQbamn; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mafsys1234@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::62f as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mafsys1234@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[38.167.101.59.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-arch@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[f.2.6.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.32), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.34), asn: 15169(-2.01), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 05:24:48 -0000 On 8/11/2019 4:14 pm, Warner Losh wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2019, 3:39 PM MJ > wrote: > > > On 8/11/2019 5:10 am, Warner Losh wrote: > > Greetings, > > > > A standard has evolved in other communities to communicate certain key > > aspects of the system to interested parties.  The /etc/os-release file. The > > standard is defined here http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/os-release and > > here https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/os-release.html . It > > has become a de-facto standard for the graphical systems. > > First off, I'm not attempting to be antagonistic about this, I have no horse in this race. However, I am genuinely curious about why this is needed and to that end why it adds more clutter to the system. > > So, forgive me, but why is this needed? Ok, it's a "standard" but for what reason is there to add it specifically to FreeBSD? > > > FreeBSD implements industry standards. This is a new standard that creates friction for our users because they have to do extra things that users of other systems get without doing anything. > That seems a rather vague substantiation. Anyway, it seems this is such an issue that FreeBSD will imminently fail without it. > > > > FreeBSD currently tries to address this with a port > > sysutils/etc_os-release, but there's a number of issues with it, see for > > example https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=238953. The > > biggest issue being that we can't install a static file: it has to change > > as the system is updated. > > I see one issue. The issue is with the port itself, not FreeBSD. Does FreeBSD fail to operate with this file missing? What ports are failing with this missing? > > > Lots of desktop programs have issues. > As in? > In my own use cases, our servers run fine without it. My desktop runs fine without it. I'm not seeing the compelling reason. Sorry. > > > You can ignore it. I'm sure there are at least 2 extra firewalls you are ignoring or doing something to disable... I am only asking a question or two. I fail to see the need to be so hostile about simple questions. If this is indeed a good idea, I would expect some substantive, imperial proof of its need. Just asking. But, then again, don't bother, you've set the tone of this "discussion". Regards, Mark