Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:32:50 -0400 From: "Person, Roderick" <personrp@ccbh.com> To: 'Hans Zaunere' <zaunere@yahoo.com>, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: RE: Patches Question Message-ID: <46AEB8C1B628D511969200508B6FE42A6684E4@1upmc-msx6.isdip.upmc.edu>
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If you look the dir of the port you are making there maybe a subdir named
'files' in there will be the patches. You can then read the patch code and
detemine what is being patched for specific ports.
example: there is a openoffice port that has patch files because the source
code with out the patch claims FreeBSD not to be a OS. So the patch inserts
code to tell the program that FreeBSD is an OS suitable for this code. The
port is broke so you can't do a make install. I was try to manually compile
and load open office last night, that's why i used this example.
Roderick P. Person
Programmer II
personrp@ccbh.com
"Without censorship, things can get terribly confused in the public mind."
- General William Westmoreland
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:zaunere@yahoo.com]
> Sent: July 25, 2001 9:20 AM
> To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org
> Subject: Re: Patches Question
>
>
>
> Well specifically I am referring to the ports
> collection. Whenever I do a make install for a port,
> there is always a section saying something along the
> lines of "Getting FreeBSD Patches."
>
> I am wondering what these consist of, since I seldom
> see neseccary patches for other systems, except for
> those that the vendor/developer specifically says
> should be installed. When I make install a port and
> it does its magic, where do these patches come from?
> Vendor? FreeBSD project? Third-party? These patches do
> seem to be FreeBSD specific, and I am wondering what
> kinds of technical issues they are patching. Memory?
> Networking? Differences between FreeBSD's architecture
> and a SysV based system? etc..
>
> Thank you,
>
> Hans
>
>
> --- Louis LeBlanc
> <leblanc+freebsd@acadia.ne.mediaone.net> wrote:
> > I doubt those patches are strictly intended to make
> > the app run on
> > FreeBSD, or that the app otherwise wouldn't run on
> > FreeBSD. Many
> > applications have patches associated with them, on
> > all OSs. If you
> > download a source rpm for Linux, you will often find
> > patch files
> > included therein.
> >
> > Usually these patches are intended as minor tweaks
> > to the apps
> > stability, or as a fix for an obscure bug that
> > sneaked into the
> > release tarball.
> >
> > As for the rare occasion that a patch is directed at
> > a particular OS,
> > this is often because the app was originally
> > designed and implemented
> > on another platform, and someone else wrote the
> > patch to make it work
> > on theirs. Other times, an inherent instability in
> > the original code
> > only becomes apparent when it is ported to a new OS.
> >
> > From time to time, a patch may be written by another
> > person to add
> > functionality to an application - like the nntp
> > patches for mutt.
> > This is often done when an original developer sticks
> > to the Unix
> > mindset (a tool should do ONE thing and do it well),
> > but some users
> > want to make an exception for a favorite tool or in
> > a unique
> > application of that tool.
> >
> > In the end, though, it isn't the os that makes the
> > patches necessary,
> > it is the app, and the inevitable imperfections in
> > the design,
> > implementation, etc. (We're only human after all :)
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Lou
> >
> > On 07/25/01 05:33 AM, Hans Zaunere sat at the `puter
> > and typed:
> > > I notice that a lot of applications need to be
> > patched
> > > to work on FreeBSD correctly. I am wondering,
> > from a
> > > strictly technical standpoint, what these patches
> > are
> > > for. How are they common? What is it about
> > FreeBSD
> > > that makes these patches neseccary?
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > >
> > > Hans Z
> > > zaunere@yahoo.com
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________
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> >
> > --
> > Louis LeBlanc leblanc@acadia.ne.mediaone.net
> > Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :)
> > http://acadia.ne.mediaone.net ԿԬ
> >
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> > Repackaged.
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>If you look the dir of the port you are making there =
maybe a subdir named 'files' in there will be the patches. You can then =
read the patch code and detemine what is being patched for specific =
ports.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>example: there is a openoffice port that has patch =
files because the source code with out the patch claims FreeBSD not to =
be a OS. So the patch inserts code to tell the program that FreeBSD is =
an OS suitable for this code. The port is broke so you can't do a make =
install. I was try to manually compile and load open office last night, =
that's why i used this example.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Roderick P. Person</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Programmer II</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>personrp@ccbh.com</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>"Without censorship, things can get terribly =
confused in the public mind." </FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2> - General William =
Westmoreland</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> From: Hans Zaunere [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:zaunere@yahoo.com">mailto:zaunere@yahoo.com</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Sent: July 25, 2001 9:20 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Subject: Re: Patches Question</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Well specifically I am referring to the =
ports</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> collection. Whenever I do a make install =
for a port,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> there is always a section saying something =
along the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> lines of "Getting FreeBSD =
Patches."</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> I am wondering what these consist of, since I =
seldom</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> see neseccary patches for other systems, except =
for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> those that the vendor/developer specifically =
says</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> should be installed. When I make install =
a port and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> it does its magic, where do these patches come =
from? </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Vendor? FreeBSD project? Third-party? These =
patches do</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> seem to be FreeBSD specific, and I am wondering =
what</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> kinds of technical issues they are =
patching. Memory? </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Networking? Differences between FreeBSD's =
architecture</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> and a SysV based system? etc..</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Thank you,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Hans</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> --- Louis LeBlanc</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <leblanc+freebsd@acadia.ne.mediaone.net> =
wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > I doubt those patches are strictly =
intended to make</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > the app run on</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > FreeBSD, or that the app otherwise =
wouldn't run on</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > FreeBSD. Many</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > applications have patches associated with =
them, on</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > all OSs. If you</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > download a source rpm for Linux, you will =
often find</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > patch files</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > included therein.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Usually these patches are intended as =
minor tweaks</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > to the apps</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > stability, or as a fix for an obscure bug =
that</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > sneaked into the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > release tarball.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > As for the rare occasion that a patch is =
directed at</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > a particular OS,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > this is often because the app was =
originally</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > designed and implemented</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > on another platform, and someone else =
wrote the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > patch to make it work</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > on theirs. Other times, an inherent =
instability in</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > the original code</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > only becomes apparent when it is ported to =
a new OS.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > From time to time, a patch may be written =
by another</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > person to add</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > functionality to an application - like the =
nntp</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > patches for mutt.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > This is often done when an original =
developer sticks</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > to the Unix</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > mindset (a tool should do ONE thing and do =
it well),</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > but some users</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > want to make an exception for a favorite =
tool or in</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > a unique</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > application of that tool.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > In the end, though, it isn't the os that =
makes the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > patches necessary,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > it is the app, and the inevitable =
imperfections in</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > the design,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > implementation, etc. (We're only =
human after all :)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > HTH</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Lou</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > On 07/25/01 05:33 AM, Hans Zaunere sat at =
the `puter</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > and typed:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > I notice that a lot of applications =
need to be</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > patched</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > to work on FreeBSD correctly. I =
am wondering,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > from a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > strictly technical standpoint, what =
these patches</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > are</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > for. How are they common? =
What is it about</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > FreeBSD</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > that makes these patches =
neseccary?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > Thank you,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > Hans Z</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > zaunere@yahoo.com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > =
__________________________________________________</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > Do You Yahoo!?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > Make international calls for as low =
as $.04/minute</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > -- </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Louis =
LeBlanc =
leblanc@acadia.ne.mediaone.net</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper =
Extrordinaire :)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <A HREF=3D"http://acadia.ne.mediaone.net" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://acadia.ne.mediaone.net</A> &nb=
sp; &nb=
sp; =D4=BF=D4=AC</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > revolutionary, adj.:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Repackaged.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT>
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