Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 13:14:50 +0400 From: Andrej Zverev <az@freebsd.org> To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Philippe_Aud=E9oud?= <jadawin@freebsd.org> Cc: "svn-ports-head@freebsd.org" <svn-ports-head@freebsd.org>, "svn-ports-all@freebsd.org" <svn-ports-all@freebsd.org>, "ports-committers@freebsd.org" <ports-committers@freebsd.org>, Adam Weinberger <adamw@freebsd.org>, Rene Ladan <rene@freebsd.org>, John Marino <dragonflybsd@marino.st> Subject: Re: svn commit: r335281 - in head: . audio audio/gnump3d Message-ID: <CAD5bB%2Bg2232P%2BaO%2Bsii5JXVoA=CuqSt6tmTrdDxF2Wt8gFkGcw@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20131203090235.GE77731@tuxaco.net> References: <20131202131244.GC71618@tuxaco.net> <529C8C1F.7050802@marino.st> <20131202134921.GD71618@tuxaco.net> <529C91F2.6020004@marino.st> <20131202145224.GH71618@tuxaco.net> <529CA16C.2060000@marino.st> <20131202184749.GC30485@lonesome.com> <20131203015955.GA55963@apnoea.adamw.org> <20131203080830.GA77731@tuxaco.net> <529D94EE.9060609@marino.st> <20131203090235.GE77731@tuxaco.net>
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Please, can you add more rage and anger in your e-mails? As the conversation came to a deadlock :-) On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Philippe Aud=E9oud <jadawin@freebsd.org> wr= ote: > On Tue, 03 Dec 2013, John Marino wrote: > >> On 12/3/2013 09:08, Philippe Aud=E9oud wrote: >> > >> > Adam, >> > >> > I don't care about "mine" port... I'm just saying that >> >> Philippe, >> You've denied several times that you don't care about your port, but >> your actions yesterday clearly state otherwise. It's fine because it >> serves as an example. >> >> > I'm just saying that >> > nothing is clear around maintainer and that if maintainer is set, it >> > have to be respected. >> >> THIS! >> This is exactly the point. >> You've come to understand that the listed maintainer is a complete >> monopoly and it is this concept to which we object. I would argue that >> maintainer has been respected, but you clearly feel otherwise. >> >> > I agree that we need to be more reactive to fix a mistake >> > but rules don't have to be too permissive regards to maintainer respec= t. >> >> Fixing a typo or obvious error is not a sign of disrespect. In most >> cases, the maintainer should actually be grateful that the port was >> restored quicker than he/she would have done it. >> >> > Clearly, nothing to see with "People need to un-knot their panties". >> > Serioulsy. >> >> Actually, it was quite appropriate. That's exactly how I see it too. >> > > > No comment. > >> > Now, that everybody gave his opinion about panties, playground and oth= er >> > off topic remarks, can we have a *debate* on how we can write or updat= e >> > current rules about maintainer and each committer relation, please ? >> > Obviously it's a problem encountered by many committer and it have to = be >> > fixed. Or are we only good to troll ? >> >> I'm leery about this. On another thread I've seen the first suggestion >> and I don't like where it's headed. >> >> Again, I think portmgr should be proactive about this and not wait for >> "suggestions". The problem is clear, this is not new. I consider this >> part of the responsibility of the portmgr -- to update policy as needed >> and clearly the current policy is not satisfactory. The portmgr is made >> up of smart guys, surely they can update policy without a circus of a >> debate. >> > > Do you mean that portmgr@ have to do everything alone and can't be help? > >> > I suggest to work with marino@ and rene@ to help portmgr@ and bapt@ as= k it too. >> > So, if you want to be constructive (more than talking about panties, I= mean), >> > feel free to send me an email and i will put you in the "workshop". >> >> I'm happy to "review" any proposed policy change from portmgr and >> provide feedback. I really don't want to get into a "debate" though. I >> think the issues are pretty well defined, so I trust the solution would >> be straightforward. >> > > Yeah, i noticed you don't want to debate. > > -- > Philippe Aud=E9oud
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