From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 5 16:30:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1042C1065676 for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2011 16:30:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 710FD8FC18 for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2011 16:30:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p5DCBEF93.dip.t-dialin.net [93.203.239.147]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p85GU9M2058143; Mon, 5 Sep 2011 16:30:09 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p85GTvqW010734; Mon, 5 Sep 2011 18:29:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p85GTjOh035076; Mon, 5 Sep 2011 16:29:51 GMT (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201109051629.p85GTjOh035076@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Doug Barton From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Mon, 05 Sep 2011 05:40:58 PDT." <4E64C35A.50004@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 18:29:45 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org, Chris Rees Subject: Re: sysutils/cfs X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 16:30:12 -0000 Hi, Doug Barton wrote: > On 09/05/2011 02:33, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > Chris Rees wrote: > >> On 4 September 2011 21:32, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Whoops, also missed a CVE -- buffer overflows can cause a DoS. > >>>> Expiration date altered to 1 month accordingly. > >>> > >>> It is not responsible to threaten to remove ports without warning > >>> between releases for non urgent reasons. > > We understand that this is your perspective, however the community in > general has a different idea. Whose vision, which community ;-) I wasn't worrying about an elite user community of those who don't seem/need to care much beyond ports@ subscribers with CVS & commit privs. I'm concerned about FreeBSD ports release users that excludes, how they will see un-professional ports release management, & how they may dump or not adopt FreeBSD, taking projects & jobs with them. People may like to ask & compare about project management with people in other projects on Saturday, September 17th at http://www.softwarefreedomday.org in ~ 600 cities around the planet, FreeBSD claims to consider Principle Of Least Suprise. Best ask oursleves if FreeBSD ports release management complies. > >>> Better to deprecate such non urgent ports, & wait a while after next > >>> release is rolled, to give release users a warning & some time > >>> to volunteer (or if a firm using releases, perhaps time to allocate > >>> a staff member if a port is important to them). > > That's an interesting idea, but incredibly unlikely to happen. > > >> Yeah... perhaps if there isn't a vulnerability. At the moment it's > >> marked FORBIDDEN, > > > > Correction: > > "At the moment" all those with 8.2-RELEASE/ports still see no FORBIDDEN, > > That's what portaudit is for. > > > The Attic is the standard myopic excuse, ignoring not all FreeBSD > > release users have CVS, > > It is available to everyone, and trivial to configure. The fact that > removed ports still exist in CVS is not a "myopic excuse," it's a fact. > > We need to make the best decisions we can to provide the best support > possible for the largest percentage of our users. Yes, So long as Users != just ports@ subscribers with CVS. Thanks. Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below, not above; Indent with "> "; Cumulative like a play script. Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. http://www.softwarefreedomday.org 17th Sept, http://berklix.org/sfd/ Oct.