From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 16 01:17:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA21380 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 01:17:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu (root@mail1.its.rpi.edu [128.113.100.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA21326 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 01:17:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA24734; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 04:17:07 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: drosih@pop1.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <19980616095005.64408@welearn.com.au> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 04:20:51 -0400 To: ben@rosengart.com, Sue Blake From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: 2.2.6 CD-ROM : Package dependencies up the creek ? Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 1:38 AM -0400 6/16/98, Snob Art Genre wrote: >On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > >> I also took objection to the idea that packages should not be available >> during installation. That would cut out freebsd's accessibility to a lot >> of newbies. My one concern was that it sounded like that didn't matter to >> anyone. > > I don't understand why you think "newbies" can't install packages except > in sysinstall. Why not put a pointer to pkg_manage in the default > /etc/motd, or something like that? Pkg_manage even *looks* like > sysinstall. Some packages are useful to have right away. I've done nearly a dozen reinstalls in the past few days. The first time I installed every package which looked remotely interesting, and in hindsight thought that was stupid. However, in a later install I installed *none* of the packages, and immediately regretted that decision too. I wanted to create initial accounts with a bash shell, for instance, but that doesn't work great if you didn't install bash. And the first thing after rebooting I ftp a tar-file of various scripts I'm used to using, but some of them don't work because I don't have perl5 installed yet. I think it's good to have a short list of "highly desirable" packages in a list right at install time, but leave the full list for after the user gets past that first reboot. And by having an initial short list, we could perhaps make sure that all packages on that short list are on the first CD-ROM (the CD a user boots off to do an install). Just my thoughts, after my first-ever installs of FreeBSD... --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or drosih@rpi.edu Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message