From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 9 03:17:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DCB21065672 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2009 03:17:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from maksim.yevmenkin@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 404038FC08 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2009 03:17:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from maksim.yevmenkin@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so807847yxb.13 for ; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:17:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=xDGecUwoZeCXwNCmnbJkOwUrBiY0vHPMB/w7BC3pkwA=; b=gEnf32xwT88ggbqPkBEeITD/9LQw4cVIyysuT6LvEzW/JHoxrphOxHsSTz69PlAlYY C1vG+bW2ne4FsKPJAjYLwZZI5l1pGAd8aljHxJiZh5pL7p2mbf52QsjDpRoiTxfoxoz4 d6EwbeHemxb+hClmrKMrfe3ZVtlTHCeY67kbM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vlTC6j7LIfQyi17ypsRFsMJx3S7AOGIXaCk1w/io0W8gUosSzTiynDsSQvpkKIeToz a1EZ+TJRl7tNifdk5hVzmhs2qdSvz+TYTYCObOcpoHT88FcEc0d2Z5uIIfCFsJtxr6kZ IoOMhVq3VjCo+bMjJYdq7/bb8TDi+eFuSJNEY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.48.20 with SMTP id a20mr298523ybk.179.1234149426306; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:17:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <498F2EBA.9000106@freebsd.org> References: <20090206045349.GQ78804@elvis.mu.org> <498C013B.4000405@FreeBSD.org> <20090208052110.GY78804@elvis.mu.org> <1234119008.7997.32.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> <498F2EBA.9000106@freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:17:06 -0800 Message-ID: From: Maksim Yevmenkin To: Sam Leffler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: usb@freebsd.org, Gavin Atkinson , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADSUP usb2/usb4bsd to become default in GENERIC X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 03:17:07 -0000 On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Sam Leffler wrote: [...] >>>>> - Update GENERIC to use usb2 device names. >>>> >>>> Wasn't there a plan to rename usb2 devices to match oldusb names (where >>>> applicable) once oldusb had been killed? I don't see it in the list. >>> >>> Probably, although coming from the other side as a user I find it pretty >>> annoying when there's somewhat gratuitous changes to the kernel config >>> files that I don't really care about that cause my kernels to break. >> >> The vast majority of our users do not run -CURRENT, and so haven't had >> to change config files yet. >> >> One day, those users will be migrating from 7.x to 8.x, and shouldn't >> need to change their kernel config for a "somewhat gratuitous change". >> >> Your argument only works if people had already had to change their >> config files once (usb -> usb2), and that by renaming these back they >> will have to change their kernel config back. Only people running >> -CURRENT will end up having to do this twice (or indeed at all) if the >> rename takes place, end users will not need to do it at all. >> >>> Basically, calling it usb2 isn't as bad as renaming it back to "usb" >>> as it's less disruptive in my book. >> >> Again, I disagree. > > I agree with your comments. And, as I've said previously, any name changes > from usb1 will require _all_ documentation (manual pages, handbook, etc) to > change; not a good idea. i second that. i would really like to see old module names to be preserved as much as possible. thanks, max