From owner-freebsd-security@freebsd.org Wed Jul 13 10:25:35 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-security@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E293B93EFB for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:25:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon.krenz@mailbox.org) Received: from mx2.mailbox.org (mx2.mailbox.org [80.241.60.215]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.mailbox.org", Issuer "SwissSign Server Silver CA 2014 - G22" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 008E91ED3 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:25:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon.krenz@mailbox.org) Received: from smtp1.mailbox.org (smtp1.mailbox.org [80.241.60.240]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx2.mailbox.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2014F420A0; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 12:25:23 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=mailbox.org; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:content-type:mime-version :subject:subject:references:in-reply-to:message-id:from:from :date:date:received; s=mail20150812; t=1468405521; bh=7X8E+Vc1Qy bzebtU9iiOzVu+fx+UIseUtc1lVP5m/AY=; b=JT+sxu/6Zuk5qlg+9zmHqnRQP1 VomMg2MObZOkC6QNp4MIO2hPlZmIO+MyLQPpj8awvqKh/yeb2fcWHZTerP7YkpuF X6UMN0qObSzEXXv71UNrZHBkwBEljlpPMB1HpPJMTriJbThGpXEFKcQFMqwJnDoh +PfLnQnOZTp5y9sMTCKJMurHfH1XA6dzdiYN1XOVayW7R7rR9eUwFcJvtVIigxB+ tiYk+zkXLKNU4m9pGtlBVCF/dlygAo0oqTnKJZgzg/kSltEJBadey7Req6OXGezI RVHi8t4ouUcqLejmUJXulqTpPZj1zdwVM1shGLXPS7zVuafuxN8JXEzb5wrg== X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at heinlein-support.de Received: from smtp1.mailbox.org ([80.241.60.240]) by hefe.heinlein-support.de (hefe.heinlein-support.de [91.198.250.172]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id 69rSwRBJtpcM; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 12:25:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 12:25:21 +0200 (CEST) From: Simon Krenz To: Steve Clement Cc: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Message-ID: <429620683.344.1468405521739@office.mailbox.org> In-Reply-To: <300EEE78-1BF1-460E-ABDD-8EA5C4809941@localhost.lu> References: <20160713073859.GA88448@localhost.lu> <57860275.404@obluda.cz> <300EEE78-1BF1-460E-ABDD-8EA5C4809941@localhost.lu> Subject: Re: FreeBSD - a lesson in poor defaults? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 Importance: Medium X-OX-Guard-Marker: false X-BeenThere: freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Security issues \[members-only posting\]" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:25:35 -0000 IMHO I can agree with most of the statements written down in this text. I c= an not understand why I need ntpd or sendmail activated in default installa= tions. If I want to setup a time server or a mail server with further abili= ties I can install them later on. Most of the installations don't need such= features. I don't think that the majority of servers do need threaded AES-= CTR or NONE ciphers also. For me a installation should be a minimum set of = features and a secure one as well. For all further things I need to know wh= at I want and can install them. This has nothing to do with: >If you need hardening, you should always check and know your system. because also if you don't need hardening you should always check and know y= our system. >I assume the virgin installed system will be ready to be remotely >configured (e.g. sshd running, no firewall). This will be as well with minimum sshd configuration and firewall activated= . >If we can assume that this About blob from the FreeBSD site is it=E2=80=99= s mission statement: =E2=80=9C=E2=80=9D=E2=80=9D=E2=80=9D >https://www.free= bsd.org/about.html What is FreeBSD? FreeBSD is an operating system for a va= riety of >platforms which focuses on features, speed, and stability. It is = derived from BSD, the version of >UNIX=C2=AE deve=E2=80=A6 And thats the problem, there is no word about security in this mission stat= ement, but maybe it should be there in the actual word. Just my 2 cents