From nobody Wed Dec 14 02:22:10 2022 X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4NWzfY3r04z4kTjn for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 02:22:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from land.berklix.org (land.berklix.org [144.76.10.75]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "land.berklix.org", Issuer "land.berklix.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4NWzfX1x3nz4Gqr for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 02:22:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jhs@berklix.com has no SPF policy when checking 144.76.10.75) smtp.mailfrom=jhs@berklix.com; dmarc=none Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p4fe6de95.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.230.222.149]) (authenticated bits=128) by land.berklix.org (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 2BE2MQDK017993 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 02:22:36 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id 2BE2MKFw010583 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 03:22:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 2BE2MAoG074349 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 03:22:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Message-Id: <202212140222.2BE2MAoG074349@fire.js.berklix.net> To: freebsd-arch Subject: Re: FreeBSD 14: Poll armv6 deprecated or removed From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com/jhs/ User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-From: http://www.berklix.org/~jhs/ In-reply-to: Your message "Tue, 13 Dec 2022 15:52:16 -0800." Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2022 03:22:10 +0100 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.05 / 15.00]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.996]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.953]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[jhs]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:144.76.0.0/16, country:DE]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-arch@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[berklix.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4NWzfX1x3nz4Gqr X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-arch List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Hi, Reference: > From: Mark Millard > Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2022 15:52:16 -0800 Mark Millard wrote: > Warner Losh wrote on > Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2022 19:23:53 UTC : > > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 10:48 AM Warner Losh wrote: > > > > > Sorry for the lag of a year, it's been a crazy time for me and this fell > > > through the cracks. > > > . . . > > > > > > > Oh, and #6: Demote armv6 (but not armv7) to tier 3. It's been kinda > > de-facto there for a while anyway, and this will make the signalling clear > > that the runway for armv6 is running out. > > > > > Yea. Some other adjustments to: > > https://www.freebsd.org/platforms/arm/ > > would likely be appropriate, not just things > strongly tied to just armv6. Primarily, in: > > QUOTE > 32-bit ARMv6 and ARMv7 is officially a Tier 2 architecture, > as the FreeBSD project does not provide official releases > or pre-built packages for this platform due to it primarily > targeting the embedded arena. > END QUOTE > > FreeBSD does provide pre-built packages for armv7, now much > better than when qemu based building was in use. (The aarch64 > based builders can execute armv7 and are used for armv7 > package building these days.) > > (armv6 builds uses qemu on amd64, which significantly limits > what gets built and provided: lots fails to be built. armv7 > use to have that status as well.) > > Also, the likes of: > > http://ftp3.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/ISO-IMAGES/ > > does have some armv6 and armv7 materials for 12.3/ , 12.4/ , > 13.0/ , and 13.1/ . The wording above might stop someone > from even looking for the material. (This sort of status > is not a recent change.) Sure looks to be official material. > > (No implication of a change from Tier 2 for armv7. But the > existing wording used to indicate example justifications is > --and has been-- misleading.) Extending wordings associated with each Pi dd image, would be very welcome, to specificaly list all hardware version of a Pi each image of v6, v7, aarch64, the image should boot. As a newbie to Raspberry Pi (but not FreeBSD) I have long been confused which image is for which version of Pi hardware. I previously had some kind of a 3B, & now have a "Pi 3 Model B+", but have not got beyond booting images, starting to customise /etc/ & then it crashes yet again, needing yet another dd, & repeat, Being certain one is using the right image would be nice. My notes: http://www.berklix.org/~jhs/pi/#images Cheers, -- Julian Stacey http://berklix.com/jhs/ http://StolenVotes.UK Arm Ukraine, Zap Putin. http://berklix.eu/ferries/#dover_solution