From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 18 16:33:40 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 447DF16A41B for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:33:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from niclas.zeising@gmail.com) Received: from mail.visit.se (mail.visit.se [85.194.0.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 700E013C45D for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:33:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from niclas.zeising@gmail.com) Received: by mail.visit.se (Postfix, from userid 503) id 2EB6836E04D9; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:15:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.stunet.se (mail.stunet.se [85.194.0.111]) by mail.visit.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C72F36E03EA; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:15:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from [85.194.50.150] (cust.fiber-lan.vnet.lk.85.194.50.150.stunet.se [85.194.50.150]) by mail.stunet.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2A7B2A6EB; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:15:17 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <47406510.8090807@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:15:12 +0100 From: Niclas Zeising User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrey Chernov , Henrik Bergkvist , Niclas Zeising , Martin Nilsson , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG References: <473FE18B.2090303@gneto.com> <20071118112226.GA20540@nagual.pp.ru> <20071118113019.GA21519@nagual.pp.ru> <20071118113616.GB21519@nagual.pp.ru> <474027B0.3070309@gmail.com> <4740565F.2050007@mdfnet.se> <20071118154238.GA23650@nagual.pp.ru> In-Reply-To: <20071118154238.GA23650@nagual.pp.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.6 (2005-12-07) on mail.visit.se X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.6 Cc: Subject: Re: Setting LANG=sv_SE.ISO_8859-1 breaks 7.0 buildworld X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:33:40 -0000 Andrey Chernov wrote: > On Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 04:12:31PM +0100, Henrik Bergkvist wrote: >> Since SAOL 13:th edition it's changed. They now consider it two different >> characters, so I guess the correct way is to not sort it as the same >> anymore. >> >> References in swedish. >> http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/W >> http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1058&a=538744&previousRenderType=3 > > Could you (or anybody) translate interesting parts into English please? > And when the change happens? So, I'll be able to correct sv_SV collating > then. > I'll give the translation a go, it's not literal, so it's more like a summary in english rather than a translation. The first link is from Swedish wikipedia. It states that W was until 2006 counted as a variant of V and sorted together with W, but in the 2006 edition of SAOL, which is a Swedish dictionary many in Sweden consider to be the general Swedish language reference, W was moved to it's own section and sorted as in the English world. That was mainly due to a lot of new borrowed words starting in 'w', such as webben (the web, when speaking of www). After that there is a brief history about the letter W, nothing interesting in this discussion. The next link is from a Swedish news paper called "Dagens Nyheter" (Todays News or News of Today) The article was published april 21 2006 and mostly states the same as the wikipedia article. It also talks a bit more about the new edition of SAOL and has some comments from one of the people working in the committee responsible for SAOL. I can translate them more throughoutly if you need, but I think this is enough to get what's important here. So in general, W has become it's own letter in Swedish as well, but it will probably take a long time (a decade at least) before this has been adopted everywhere. Regards! //Niclas