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Date:      Thu, 10 Oct 2024 12:07:36 -0600
From:      Chris Craft <ccraft@netgenius.org>
To:        questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Fwd: How to zero a failing disk drive before disposal?
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Subject: 	Re: How to zero a failing disk drive before disposal?
Date: 	Thu, 10 Oct 2024 10:19:03 -0600
From: 	Chris Craft <ccraft@netgenius.org>
To: 	Matthew Seaman <matthew@FreeBSD.org>



I was going to mention "Curie point", but this seems to be a complex 
topic. (Forum discussion: 
https://www.overclockers.com/forums/threads/what-is-the-curie-point-of-hdd-magnetic-platters.454159/ 
)

I think you'd be just fine putting it in the oven on the cleaning cycle 
(about 550F).

-C

On 10/10/24 10:13, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> On 10/10/2024 16:17, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> Someone might have the skills to extract data even after the plates have
>> been shredded and fused into a lump.
>
> The Néel temperature for steel is typically somewhere around 200 -- 
> 500 ºC depending on the alloy.  Steel that is hot enough to "fuse into 
> a lump" will need to be significantly hotter than that -- nearly at 
> the melting point.  All of the magnetic information will have been wiped.
>
> Other ferromagnets useable for magnetic recording are going to behave 
> similarly.
>
>     Cheers,
>
>     Matthew
>
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      I was going to mention "Curie point", but this seems to be a
      complex topic. (Forum discussion:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.overclockers.com/forums/threads/what-is-the-curie-point-of-hdd-magnetic-platters.454159/">https://www.overclockers.com/forums/threads/what-is-the-curie-point-of-hdd-magnetic-platters.454159/</a>;
      )<br>
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      I think you'd be just fine putting it in the oven on the cleaning
      cycle (about 550F).<br>
      <br>
      -C<br>
      <br>
      On 10/10/24 10:13, Matthew Seaman wrote:<br>
      <blockquote type="cite">On 10/10/2024 16:17, Ralf Mardorf wrote:<br>
        <blockquote type="cite">Someone might have the skills to extract
          data even after the plates have<br>
          been shredded and fused into a lump.<br>
        </blockquote>
        <br>
        The Néel temperature for steel is typically somewhere around 200
        -- 500 ºC depending on the alloy.  Steel that is hot enough to
        "fuse into a lump" will need to be significantly hotter than
        that -- nearly at the melting point.  All of the magnetic
        information will have been wiped.<br>
        <br>
        Other ferromagnets useable for magnetic recording are going to
        behave similarly.<br>
        <br>
            Cheers,<br>
        <br>
            Matthew<br>
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