From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 01:53:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D48716A41F for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 01:53:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rees@ddcom.co.jp) Received: from proxy.ddcom.co.jp (proxy.ddcom.co.jp [211.121.191.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B39C643D48 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 01:53:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rees@ddcom.co.jp) Received: (qmail 2437 invoked by alias); 22 Aug 2005 02:02:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?172.16.1.133?) (10.10.10.11) by mail.ddcom.local with SMTP; 22 Aug 2005 02:02:11 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <20050820042406.GL13959@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> References: <58875.217.166.224.132.1124487738.squirrel@www.van-steenbeek.net> <20050820042406.GL13959@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5ED76ABA-B43B-4033-97B4-EDE7D1F79B9C@ddcom.co.jp> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Joel Rees Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:51:10 +0900 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Subject: [NNOT] Stability on Soekris class h/w? (was Re: 6.0-BETA2 as reliable webserver?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 01:53:39 -0000 On =E5=B9=B3=E6=88=90 17/08/20, at 13:24, Peter Jeremy wrote: > On Fri, 2005-Aug-19 23:42:18 +0200, Frans-Jan v. Steenbeek wrote: > >> building. Since we are moving in a few months, we decided to use a HP >> laptop instead (reasonably fast CPU, 512 Megs) since we had a few to >> spare. >> >> The toy is currently set up with FreeBSD 6.0-BETA2, Apache 2.0, =20 >> MySQL 5.0 >> and PHP-5.0 with all the reasonable modules. Everything is =20 >> compiled from >> ports. No changes to the kernel yet, no world-rebuilding done. >> > > I'd also be extremely loath to bet my company on a laptop running beta > software. As others have pointed out, laptops aren't designed for > this. (Though my old Compaq laptop ran FreeBSD 24x7 for several years > and I only stopped using it because the lid was cracking too badly). Yeah, I've had my home server running on an old iBook (not FreeBSD). =20 I had replaced the original disk with a larger used one because the =20 original was just 6GB. The used disk lasted only a year. Had to open =20 it back up and put the 6GB drive back in until I can afford a new =20 disk (or a Mac Mini). I need to add RAM to that poor child, too. That said, 512 MB RAM in the HP notebook might leave enough RAM for a =20= RAM disk. One could mirror Apache, PHP, MySQL (app, not DB), =20 libraries, and the web app itself onto a RAM disk. That way the =20 server could respond to initial hits out of the RAM disk while the HD =20= is spinning up. > If you're really concerned about noise: > - use an older desktop and maybe even underclock it to keep it cooler > - build your own system. Either go the low power route (mini-ITX) so > you don't need noisy fans or use an over-rated PSU and CPU heatsink > to keep fan speed (and noise) down. In either case, you'll need to > look around to find a quiet HDD. So, what's the stability of FreeBSD 5.x/6.x on Soekris class hardware? I'm thinking especially in terms of mulit-port nics that would =20 support bridging, etc. > - [as a completely left-field suggestion] look at something like an > Apple G5 system - large fans running slowly generate very little =20 > noise. Maybe even Mac Mini? ;-> fbsd on PPC is still not even close to stable, and the iNTEL Macs are =20= still at least ten months away. But openBSD and netBSD run rather =20 well on PPC if the eye candy of Mac OS X is unpleasant or the cost of =20= Mac OS X Server (for a little added peace of mind?) is uncomfortable. Joel Rees digitcom, inc. =E6=A0=AA=E5=BC=8F=E4=BC=9A=E7=A4=BE=E3=83=87=E3=82=B8=E3= =82=B3=E3=83=A0 Kobe, Japan +81-78-672-8800 ** **