From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 8 6:48: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.128.1.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 310FE14E6F for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 06:48:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pulsifer@mediaone.net) Received: from ahp3 (ahp.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.184.250]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA13056; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 09:48:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Allen Pulsifer" To: "Kazutaka YOKOTA" Cc: , Subject: RE: console support (was RIDE for BSD) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 09:48:01 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200001080640.PAA15557@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kazu, The comments on Linux were not mine. But I was echo'ing the orginal poster's request that the keyboard mapping and console (screen) settings be set to defaults that make sense vis-a-vis PC hardware and PC users' common expectations. That simply means that, to the extent possible, the ESC, ALT, BACKSPACE, INSERT, DELETE, HOME, END, PAGE UP, PAGE DOWN, and "arrow" keys, etc., should do something reasonable to a person who has PC experience, but no specific Unix or FreeBSD experience. It is my understanding that one of the goals of FreeBSD is to optimize the system for PC hardware. Whatever out-of-the-box behavior the system has, it should make sense to a *newbie*. The experienced user can of course take care of themself and remap the keys to anything they like. But you shouldn't have to spend hours learning the intimate details of the console, termcaps, keycaps, emacs and whatever else, just to get the ESC, ALT or BACKSPACE keys to do something useful. This is far from a "loose-loose" situation. The screen drawing problem I experienced is a separate issue. Like I said in my post: The IDE's (whose names I now forget) would often draw stuff on the screen randomly offset by one line or one column, and old stuff wouldn't get erased properly. They also threw funny characters up on the screen when it looked like they were trying to produce formatting such as colored or highlighted text. This made the tools impossible to use. At the time I wasn't sure if it was me, my setup, the tools, or something in FreeBSD. I know this isn't a very good bug report, but if someone is actively working on this stuff or if there are any plans to revisit it, let me know and I'll put in better bug reports if/when I get a chance to revisit it. The offer still stands. Allen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message