From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 31 8:32:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DDE437B401 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:32:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EF8143EC2 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:32:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0205.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.205] helo=mindspring.com) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18TPJa-0003Np-00; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:32:27 -0800 Message-ID: <3E11C648.F0C88A0B@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:31:04 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Hayes Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bystander shot by a spam filter. References: <200212311125.gBVBPG181119@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a44c7f6deb39e88aff123c90da7f9d2c873ca473d225a0f487350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dave Hayes wrote: > >> You are not allowed to place your hand on their jaw and close > >> their mouth. > > > > But I'm allowed to slam the door, right? > > It's your door. It's their mouth. The analogy doesn't apply in an > electronic medium. Controlling another's communication is not > honorable. Tuning out unwanted communication is honorable. The > distinction is obvious, even if you don't want it to be. Making my mail server not accept connections from their IP address is the same as locking my door. > > A blacklist is a just lock that you obtain from a third party, > > which will not open for people you don't want coming through > > your door. > > Nonsense. Blacklists are evil, most always generate false positives, > and have nothign to do with locks and doors. Locking your keys in your car is a false positive. Taking the wrong keys with you when you leave, and then coming back to find your spouse has locked you out is a false positive. Can you address these physical world false positives for us, so that we then have a model we can apply in the electronic world? Thanks... > > Hardly; people can make their own decisions as much as they > > want, particularly when it comes to blacklisting of SPAM'mers > > by their ISP: discontinue their ISP service, and obtain service > > from some other ISP. > > Exactly what I recommend when a blacklisting service includes > innocents in an attempt to force others to do their will. Then I don't see why it's a problem, if you already have a solution in hand. > Zealotry, even in the name of science, is a strong poison. As is any zealotry. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message