From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 3 23:21:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA29888 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 3 May 1998 23:21:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ppp1552.on.bellglobal.com (ppp1552.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.249.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA29861 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 23:20:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ac199@hwcn.org) Received: from localhost (tim@localhost) by ppp1552.on.bellglobal.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA00441; Mon, 4 May 1998 02:18:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ac199@hwcn.org) X-Authentication-Warning: ppp1552.on.bellglobal.com: tim owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 02:18:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Vanderhoek X-Sender: tim@localhost Reply-To: ac199@hwcn.org To: "Matthew N. Dodd" cc: Eivind Eklund , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/www/ijb - Imported sources In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 4 May 1998, Matthew N. Dodd wrote: > image with the page. HTTP/HTML does not require that I load images at > all. What does this have to do with images? Lynx doesn't load images. It's just as wrong to filter ads from Lynx as it is from Netscape. > Again, I don't see how I'm at fault when you (the seller of ad space) fail > to accurately track usage. You are delibrately and explicitly circumventing their tracking system (or whatever system you choose to talk about). An analogy would be helpful. If I say something that offends you, perhaps I use the expression "What the heck", and you are offended, but I have not intentionally offended you (the expression is quite acceptable in my cultural vocabulary), then that is not my fault. If, however, I choose an expression that I know you will find offensive, and I choose this particular expression expressly because you will find it offensive, then I am at fault. I have no right to yell "$@#! you!" at you everytime I see you. > If TV and Radio stations sold advertising the way you do nobody would > advertise as the statement 'we -think- your add will be played 5 times a > day but aren't quite sure.' would be highly offensive to the people buying > advertising space from you. They, in effect, do. The actual phrase is "We think you ad will be heard by 5 people a day, but we really aren't sure how many people are listening at any given moment." Advertisers buy advertising on a statistical basis (although, I suspect, somewhat of an intuitive statistical basis :). > Striving for upright ethis is indeed a good goal though passing the buck > and requiring a particular behavior in order to remain ethical in light > ofsomeone's dishonesty as an advertising provider is another. > > If you are not informing your clients of how many tiems you requested a > browser load their ad you are guilty of fraud. > > Put that in your ethical pipe and smoke it. :) Huh? -- This .sig is not innovative, witty, or profund. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message