Date: Thu, 23 May 2024 20:08:29 -0300 From: "Danilo G. Baio" <dbaio@FreeBSD.org> To: "Michael Gmelin" <grembo@freebsd.org>, "Lorenzo Salvadore" <developer@lorenzosalvadore.it> Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Localized versions of freebsd.org outdated and linked to by google Message-ID: <d179b44c-effe-4941-a4fa-b40209533d07@app.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: <E27759B2-0320-45DA-B844-C6650FF08A67@freebsd.org> References: <MxPYKsNz4JXWV1CZ-6n3xLU5-PvqMQnPi-uEmXX2tFMq3YPkVhvKryROAjg_kVMT4bHSIcJtGO8FBQbHKAkwZjX7-HF4AyZ1nWo-Qb-ICIw=@lorenzosalvadore.it> <E27759B2-0320-45DA-B844-C6650FF08A67@freebsd.org>
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On Thu, May 23, 2024, at 17:50, Michael Gmelin wrote: >> On 23. May 2024, at 22:08, Lorenzo Salvadore <developer@lorenzosalvad= ore.it> wrote: >>=20 >> =EF=BB=BFOn Thursday, May 23rd, 2024 at 18:41, Michael Gmelin <grembo= @freebsd.org> wrote: >>=20 >>> I think this situation needs to be resolved, either by updating these >>> pages by whatever means or by giving up localization - at least for = the >>> languages we cannot support. >>>=20 >>> Best >>> Michael >>>=20 >>> -- >>> Michael Gmelin >>=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >> Some attempts to choose a path between the alternatives you propose h= as already >> been done: >> https://wiki.freebsd.org/Doc/Translation/Website >>=20 >> However, due to some planned changes to the website which had to be d= elayed, >> no work to save any localization has started yet. >>=20 >> Anyway, it looks like that there is not much interest in saving those >> translations, so they will probably just die... It is a pity, I belie= ve >> localization is important, but FreeBSD is a voluntary project: if no >> one would like to work on it, nobody will work on it. > > It=E2=80=99s sad on many levels indeed, but based on the current state= of=20 > affairs I think users are better off using the English website (and th= e=20 > in-built translation feature of their web browser, if needed). There i= s=20 > no point offering localized pages if they don=E2=80=99t provide curren= t=20 > information on even the most basic facts like the current release=20 > version. Imagine googling =E2=80=9CFreeBSD latest release=E2=80=9D and= ending up on a=20 > page telling that it happened four years ago. That=E2=80=99s not helpi= ng=20 > anybody. > > So, facing the facts, I would suggest one of the following: > 1. put a warning on localized pages that they=E2=80=99re outdated (not= a good=20 > solution, imho) > 2. automatically translate to localized pages and put a warning on top=20 > that the translation was generated automatically (meh) > 3. replace localized pages with redirects to the English originals > > To me, given our target audience and the stage of tooling, 3. sounds=20 > the most straightforward solution to me. Regarding the website, it appears that only the zh-tw language has been = updated. We should also remove 'de' and 'it' from the tree, leaving only the main= website and zh-tw. The translations can always be retrieved from Git if necessary. Regards, --=20 Danilo G. Baio
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