From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 30 22:33:09 2007 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 840CC16A420 for <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:33:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gahr@gahr.ch) Received: from cpanel03.rubas-s03.net (cpanel03.rubas-s03.net [195.182.222.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1210D13C45D for <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:33:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gahr@gahr.ch) Received: from 80-218-180-150.dclient.hispeed.ch ([80.218.180.150] helo=gahrtop.localhost) by cpanel03.rubas-s03.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from <gahr@gahr.ch>) id 1IQsZX-00063j-JN; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 00:33:07 +0200 Message-ID: <46D74599.5020708@gahr.ch> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 00:32:57 +0200 From: Pietro Cerutti <gahr@gahr.ch> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070808) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erik Trulsson <ertr1013@student.uu.se>, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <46D7186D.8030508@gahr.ch> <20070830221708.GA42915@owl.midgard.homeip.net> In-Reply-To: <20070830221708.GA42915@owl.midgard.homeip.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.2 OpenPGP: id=9571F78E; url=http://www.gahr.ch/pgp Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig46629F755E76EEFA2C121DD2" X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cpanel03.rubas-s03.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - gahr.ch X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: Subject: Re: what happened to make world? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD <freebsd-hackers.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers>, <mailto:freebsd-hackers-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-hackers-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers>, <mailto:freebsd-hackers-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:33:09 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig46629F755E76EEFA2C121DD2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Erik Trulsson wrote: > On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 09:20:13PM +0200, Pietro Cerutti wrote: >> # make world >> WARNING: make world will overwrite your existing FreeBSD >> installation without also building and installing a new >> kernel. This can be dangerous. Please read the handbook, >> 'Rebuilding world', for how to upgrade your system. >> Define DESTDIR to where you want to install FreeBSD, >> including /, to override this warning and proceed as usual. >> You may get the historical 'make world' behavior by defining >> HISTORICAL_MAKE_WORLD. You should understand the implications >> before doing this. >> >> Bailing out now... >> *** Error code 1 >> >> Stop in /usr/src. >> >> >> Now, THIS is quite funny... do you really thing that a person with >> - root access >> - the knowledge of the existence of "make world" >> needs this sort of things? >=20 > Yes. Having root access does not imply any particular knowledge or > experience. =20 > In older documentation (which might be used by the unwary) there are > several references to 'make world'. >=20 > This means that a person new to FreeBSD may well attempt to use 'make w= orld' > while (wrongly) believing it to be the correct thing to use and not bei= ng > aware of the pitfalls with it. >=20 > This is good to prevent. >=20 >=20 >=20 >> I didn't see anything about this new-wave-of-user-friendly-bsd going o= n >> the list.. have I missed something? >=20 > 'make world' has been deprecated and not-recommended for several years = now. > The correct sequence to upgrade is described in /usr/src/UPDATING and d= oes > not involve 'make world'. That's why I noticed this warning only three years after its appearance..= =2E >=20 > Personally I think the better solution would be to remove the 'world' t= arget > completely from the makefiles, but there is probably some good reason f= or > why that has not been done. I quite agree with you --=20 Pietro Cerutti PGP Public Key: http://gahr.ch/pgp --------------enig46629F755E76EEFA2C121DD2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFG10WfwMJqmJVx944RCm4lAKDLKeDM0qO0fH9W2C2NWTo1txqNcwCeNzdb YAzGDsxZ2n7H7ZzrXbHT/FU= =4oqY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig46629F755E76EEFA2C121DD2--