From owner-freebsd-ports Sat Dec 21 10:23:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC92237B401; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:23:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from kayak.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.BAYAREA.NET [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49A7C43ED8; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:23:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.201]) by kayak.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLINUrT095816; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:23:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@kayak.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBLIOLa4000857; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:24:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gBLIOKoi000856; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:24:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:24:20 -0800 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: "P. U. Kruppa" <520023893678-0001@t-online.de> Cc: Maxim Sobolev , Akinori MUSHA , portmgr@FreeBSD.ORG, ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Thoughts about ports freeze Message-ID: <20021221182420.GA736@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <20021220131339.GB11573@vega.vega.com> <20021220144255.S934-100000@small.pukruppa.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021220144255.S934-100000@small.pukruppa.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 03:19:16PM +0000, P. U. Kruppa wrote: > On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Maxim Sobolev wrote: > > > Well, all this is fine, but doesn't answer one of my main points: why > > do we shift responsibility for our inability to encourage fellow developers > > to pay attention to CURRENT not only to stable to our end users? > Why should any developer care for a system which is not used > and tested by end users? It's clear that end users don't know how to advance technology, so if you wonder why developers should care about systems that are not used by end users, who do you think does advance technology? You don't discover new worlds if you don't have explorers and you don't build a society if you don't have settlers. Somebody has to pay (and I don't mean the suppressed native inhabitants of the newly explored worlds :-) and those are the people who stay home. The home-stayers will always complain about why new land has to be discovered and particularly why they have to pay for it and the explorers and settlers will continue to argue that it's for the good of all. I guess it's an old story, but it applies here as well... -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ports" in the body of the message