From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 15:11:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E0BE106568F for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:11:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f190.google.com (mail-px0-f190.google.com [209.85.216.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D739D8FC14 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:11:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi28 with SMTP id 28so1928189pxi.7 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:11:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=mOLWDwob+Ch3DRY+X4OrjF63P/jwvR0hiK/ayXuBUeE=; b=WhyRmW3rsUnCoJVLKiXbWlNR42lDv834pe3JCJmVPx2BOAppfn37hwK/MFqqqPzg9M fvTcXCDfjuMLJqitHBDfHF2AKNOVC4n72NWg0654XfAQtnpZ6AG0Q3N06qcpopEpiRRk USzeNZM9JMPnjLLH3rfLaTdKhu8UVblpUPYmc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=o6e6wIFrc+8hUMQ4fIjoAa9cWQmM1kNydgTO6s3OCtT6jzv50KmC9b3eHQEBX67L/L Vwsuc0HNIrpdxEpsRWMvdJzpG3589W5x0ciQWxTpWpgu4XUUJfn1+WotSn4G8uiVcacH 9kgjPbI5VsCpK6Z2Lv+i+l0K1zH0Hk7YkoMpA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.21.37 with SMTP id y37mr154694wfi.215.1256915517447; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:11:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <370279.86430.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <20091029231539.65B9C10656D3@hub.freebsd.org> <370279.86430.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:11:57 -0500 Message-ID: <6201873e0910300811j52e65d45idb34c3be437c59d3@mail.gmail.com> From: Adam Vande More To: Neil Short Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Effing HAL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:11:58 -0000 > > > Far be it from me to pile on when you're already so > > frustrated, but I run into > > these sorts of problems myself from time to time. > > It's usually because I > > didn't bother to read /usr/ports/UPDATING first, which in > > this case might have > > warned you. > > > > 20090123: > > AFFECTS: users of x11-servers/xorg-server > > AUTHOR: rnoland@FreeBSD.org > > .... > > I hate to say this; but I carefully read the UPDATING log you quoted and > used the solution suggested - which did not work for me. It sounds like > there is some special extra installation required - and I have not found the > details on it. This is a very old problem. I worked on this problem until I > got frustrated and installed Linux. I hate it and look forward to this > problem in FBSD being fixed so I can go back. > > USB stuff - and ethernet divices don't work worth squat in Linux. > Well that particular entry isn't necessary as noted by the next one in UPDATING. Is it possible your doing it wrong? It's worked for me on many different installations and hardware platforms. All I see on this thread is griping with no error logs or configuration files. It's almost like the complainers don't want their issues addressed so they can keep on keeping on. I see various complaints about HAL using too much memory. Exactly how is that determined? I hope top wasn't used to make that evaluation. Is xorg documentation fragmented? Sure, I hear you. That's why I use this: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/x-install.html dual-screens either twin-view or http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2 Since switching to HAL, I have never had an issue with mouse or keyboard. Prior to HAL, setup was more of an issue and stable once configured. Now setup is no issue, and it's stable. Seems like a positive move. Only issue I experienced was migrating from xorg non-HAL to xorg HAL. Once I got my head around the fact that this is easier, it was no longer an issue. Provide xorg-server is current, I've yet to see that fail. -- Adam Vande More