From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 5 20:29:28 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58AD9EED275 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 20:29:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (mail.dpedia.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E15C787A12 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 20:29:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [93.209.224.150] (helo=localhost.unixarea.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1einOG-0008Sa-9G; Mon, 05 Feb 2018 21:29:24 +0100 Received: from localhost.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.unixarea.de (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPS id w15KTNRo003423 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 5 Feb 2018 21:29:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.15.2/8.14.9/Submit) id w15KTMMq003422; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 21:29:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2018 21:29:22 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Polytropon , galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu Subject: Re: Response to Meltdown and Spectre Message-ID: <20180205202922.GA3381@c720-r314251> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Apitz , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Polytropon , galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu References: <044e62f7-69ca-71fe-34a8-5c5cafc06f08@yahoo.com> <0520dd84-c00c-fbf2-da1c-f6ff4c63739d@yahoo.com> <20180203224612.GA10517@milliways.localdomain> <51178.108.68.160.114.1517699531.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <53029.108.68.160.114.1517707316.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20180205143720.d4d98011.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180205155721.GA2938@c720-r314251> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="17pEHd4RhPHOinZp" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180205155721.GA2938@c720-r314251> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT r314251 (amd64) X-message-flag: Mails containing HTML will not be read! Please send only plain text. User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.0 (2017-02-23) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 93.209.224.150 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2018 20:29:28 -0000 --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, but there is a fundamental difference between "bricked" and "faulty/buggy/unusable/...".=20 In the latter case you can revoke the change or install a better update or a next change to fix (hopefully) the issue. In the case of "bricked" you can't do anything (apart of changing the hardware) to change the situation. matthias --=20 Matthias Apitz, =E2=9C=89 guru@unixarea.de, =E2=8C=82 http://www.unixarea.d= e/ =F0=9F=93=B1 +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub Thanks to the Soviet Army for the Victory in Stalingrad! -- =D0=9F=D0=BE=D0= =B1=D0=B5=D0=B4=D0=B0 =D0=B2 =D0=A1=D1=82=D0=B0=D0=BB=D0=B8=D0=BD=D0=B3=D1= =80=D0=B0=D0=B4=D1=81=D0=BA=D0=BE=D0=B9 =D0=B1=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B2=D0=B5! --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEXmn7rBYYViyzy/vBR8z35Hb+nREFAlp4vp8ACgkQR8z35Hb+ nRGOuxAAokh6q0ek4542qppF6JqnaIk1hI+QGo4ESQyhhwNbwNau1taGDrlKYVb2 Ds9WMtUCu+J858f7S7Pq+Qzv8pm3sFIvVU/N4Ya9gFa2DCYrd3X46S+sRkrKJC+8 7Fju3SpsfyPiMNPdDAwlPy85cT6UfPwtGvpQCZt0SN4vrqfe7SHesAidHXQqPI88 SAM1Z88povzjV9FWkBPjOdgC+JENT97jPfX8Ewx0eG5MwJz+Q0+VLggkLiMEvnoE 1svZwqsyeYm66oKuVrkbVYRVO0PyXK90C/AjinkllD9X7mj12pevwVFE67CS0emF HrMz4Z0UkGE3Gn9rHyJoS7t8dG9Ad0jqDAY4kSbw5WMHe5Yc8u67oaWDExRJYkSp Bq/Vw2jvGtbyb2VLY7II1CHwdNf0Net8/ilmSUXbQytgDbNNFeI+177gTErKqwUm lONG43ywZLL/DYFAOVqupffW2zXGsiV8Ag1z2s3X9Y7tMKyy5TpzXIyLu06rzi4G wb42uHuwv1Sg/xgHS7Tqp4ckVokEwVkcHQzsgOEA7lwElv7nB774HSrHnfkXVGGU fgPR0OGFVLGsYG8aC9sj9wEPexFrjCqbvru9H0oASOKbbZgE8vmuSc4XQ1e8JTwC OweqJYdTIynsRoKkkUpCVVqgr4yiZ+pKSkStUnQUPkENKTxOFFw= =vc0T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp--