From owner-svn-src-all@freebsd.org Fri Jan 17 14:08:09 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6B2A22F413 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2020 14:08:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from slw@zxy.spb.ru) Received: from zxy.spb.ru (zxy.spb.ru [195.70.199.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47zjZc69snz4Wdm for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2020 14:08:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from slw@zxy.spb.ru) Received: from slw by zxy.spb.ru with local (Exim 4.86 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1isSI8-0004mI-IN; Fri, 17 Jan 2020 17:08:04 +0300 Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 17:08:04 +0300 From: Slawa Olhovchenkov To: Eugene Grosbein Cc: "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts Message-ID: <20200117140804.GA89045@zxy.spb.ru> References: <20200117000333.GI38096@zxy.spb.ru> <3b4b4bda-75a3-3019-bc02-ecd6acacd77f@grosbein.net> <20200117112151.GJ38096@zxy.spb.ru> <0f117603-d995-b32d-68fb-36cc319d9b79@grosbein.net> <20200117125851.GK38096@zxy.spb.ru> <798ef101-c9e5-093b-8a0c-7fd3cb9a07b1@grosbein.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <798ef101-c9e5-093b-8a0c-7fd3cb9a07b1@grosbein.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: slw@zxy.spb.ru X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zxy.spb.ru); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47zjZc69snz4Wdm X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of slw@zxy.spb.ru has no SPF policy when checking 195.70.199.98) smtp.mailfrom=slw@zxy.spb.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.81 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[zxy.spb.ru]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.23)[0.228,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.60)[0.601,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5495, ipnet:195.70.192.0/19, country:RU]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.09)[asn: 5495(0.41), country: RU(0.01)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 14:08:09 -0000 On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 08:17:11PM +0700, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > >>>> Considering /usr/ports, /usr/src and /usr/obj and amount of RAM > >>>> needed to keep metadata in ZFS ARC > >>> > >>> /usr/ports, /usr/src and /usr/obj don't need be exist on low-RAM > >>> install -- use poudriere and release build on dedicated build host and > >>> applay binary update. > >> > >> Poudriere itself has its disadvantages. It's heavy and it's unable to produce minimal set of target packages > >> suitable for "pkg install -U *.txz" command without build-only dependencies. > > > > Can you do it by /usr/ports way? No. And what you point? > > I can and I do, with my own scripts. > > >> I'd like to stick with poudriere but could not. Its supposed work-style does not worth it. > >> > >> Real Work (TM) sometimes presents the need to apply patches, so > >> /usr/src and /usr/obj may become are unavoidable. > > > > I am do w/ dedicated builhost, produce custom build of > > base.txz/kernel.txz/kernel.CUSTOM.txz and applay binary updates w/ BE. > > What you point? > > The virtual guest is stand-alone including upgrades, does not depend on build host nor its existance. > > >> 1GB-RAM UFS system runs just fine with such trees being stand-alone and does not require extra build system and nor its overhead. > > > > clang very hard to compile in 1GB RAM. > > It was fine before clang-[78]. Buy nowadays, yes, I'm forced to use multiple knobs for src.conf > > WITHOUT_LLVM_TARGET_ALL= > WITH_LLVM_TARGET_X86= > WITHOUT_CLANG_FULL= > > And using WITH_META_MODE not cleaning obj directory. > > > Anyway, my 1GB ZFS system run just fine. > > During life-time of stable/10 and early stable/11 (and not so-early) > ZFS required hard tuning for 1GB i386 system to be stable because it's KVM-hog. I am cleary understund you provide expirence from satble/10 to current/13? w/ different clang, kernel, etc?