From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 20:38:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE97106564A for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 20:38:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anti_spam256@yahoo.ca) Received: from web65502.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (web65502.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.9.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 61C518FC1F for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 20:38:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 99843 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2009 20:38:06 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.ca; s=s1024; t=1249677486; bh=YhygcRPQdHAt3H1+wSL7oF/bp0nYxJcqXB3kzIsZj4w=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Q+lsg7cv6lxJA6ubXUPvz9VgErH7mpO7fRFyrdVgKCOkMuhdJM0oH/BKePoF34M7RL3R7AUO0LvFNzERux9GAu28BOVleWq6RRFMPQqApo1Kcu3udiqIksTO4SpIQ7pymcgv+dbNUva00pGPuEizg6b9hk/EdDQTHRTos2c3N2I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lmrQ05KBQQxh4kDYHPtnEiFR0hrd6Ldd57JY7loqpgLU1Bh8Watp8vPo9GjF6XgFd/D2YwHJbYFHvwp4P0aT2GVOKPJizteJzpjvA8xl97Kqj+GCpChaH0tHPVuSD2mUPLeKyjjVdvsyTVvKP2Jyc5N13hyH4IPVgPa8gGkB1MM=; Message-ID: <785835.98681.qm@web65502.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: AnMdPycVM1nSDgoG_c9wrgQM3P4IAH5HwBH8IgdNF_bgzqynhbm6ZWK77IfMMPiOXNn1cO3ci1EhxVwZsutPSkmAr5SUVfB6UrfaA1ATA60RuafEtErtA3zDvZDr87c3yehZT0zTK..Cxdiuy0t6ucy0wVlXwu7LD3amFeuQLtXEqfU6WpqRxQcJL7z3zAD35SfGqfrJ6GsOC.L4fkS9I7rIppKMhiQLJiRwZgRqK6.hs16YTrdlAn2EY11rz9zcX1CRuV5S6I75Emg6AbTfZPYygl5rfss213OzqcbzQacwiiQ7yebRTrLVnydLnG6l6oOvStg- Received: from [208.99.137.71] by web65502.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 13:38:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 13:38:06 -0700 (PDT) From: James Phillips To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20090807090100.100251065675@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:38:08 -0000 --- On Fri, 8/7/09, freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org wrote: > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 02:04:16 +0200 > From: Polytropon > On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 02:09:51 +0300, Manolis Kiagias > wrote: > > Windows experience won't help much - mainly due to the > fact Windows > > forces the users (and admins) to a completely > different way of thinking > > than FreeBSD. > > That's true. It's even hard to communicate with "'Windows' > admins" > because of a completey different and misleading terminology > - and > sadly often the lack of understanding what they're talking > about. I don't believe half the windows dialog boxes. Why would "checking for available disk space" (win 98 installation) take more than 2 seconds? > > > > > The various wizards abstract way too many parts of > the > > system, to the point where you can configure services > you don't really > > understand (i.e. a DNS server is a few clicks away and > there are many > > 'recommended' defaults along the way). > > Insecure mode: This is the mode you want. Select it NOW! > :-) > I completely understand the reasoning behind "disabled by defaul." It means it doesn't work until you (hopefully) learn what you are doing. That said, following the handbook, I managed to enable ssh twice: one as a stand-alone process, and once as part of inetd. > > > > Yes. As I said (elsewhere), FreeBSD is a multi-purpose OS. > It does > not know what you are intending to use it for, and it > doesn't make > any assumptions. So you have to communicate your > requirements to the > system. This requires a certain knowledge, of course. > Yes, I learned this with Linux. For Debian the install program works a little like a "wizard," but to maintain the system, you need to learn what you are doing. Reboots don't magically fix or break things. > > Once taken the time to set things up, they make you happy > running for > a lifetime. :-) > I love and hate that about *nix :D -James __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com.