From owner-cvs-all Wed Mar 14 23:14:29 2001 Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 571E037B719; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:14:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.163]) by phk.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA79055; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 08:14:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2F7Dkp39607; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 08:13:46 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Greg Lehey Cc: Nate Williams , Jordan Hubbard , rwatson@FreeBSD.org, imp@harmony.village.org, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Core's function (was: The Project and onward [was: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/netinet ip_output.c]) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:43:14 +1030." <20010315094314.B79313@wantadilla.lemis.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 08:13:46 +0100 Message-ID: <39605.984640426@critter> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20010315094314.B79313@wantadilla.lemis.com>, Greg Lehey writes: >> True, but if 'core' gave it's blessing to those folks instead of sitting >> back and not getting involved until long *after* the flag-waving >> individual has been so beaten down that they leave in disgust, we may >> get more done. >> >> Core *is* the perceived leadership group in FreeBSD, and you're it's >> de-facto leader. Being un-involved in the process implies apathy at >> *your* level, which doesn't do anything to motivate the troops... > >It's definitely not apathy. There's a very real concern that using a >bigger stick would scare people off. Maybe we should come up with a >list of functions that core could conceivably perform, and get a vote >on whether it should perform them. We are not asking for a bigger stick, we are asking for a more optimistic and enthusiatic attitude. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message