From owner-cvs-src@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 27 19:40:06 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cvs-src@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A75316A473; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:40:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from speedfactory.net (mail6.speedfactory.net [66.23.216.219]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C19613C467; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:40:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from server.baldwin.cx (unverified [66.23.211.162]) by speedfactory.net (SurgeMail 3.8k2) with ESMTP id 205656368-1834499 for multiple; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:40:21 -0400 Received: from localhost.corp.yahoo.com (john@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by server.baldwin.cx (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7RJdr72029715; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:39:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) From: John Baldwin To: Alfred Perlstein Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:30:44 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <20070827.085906.-332187760.imp@bsdimp.com> <20070827185741.GX87451@elvis.mu.org> In-Reply-To: <20070827185741.GX87451@elvis.mu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708271530.45290.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (server.baldwin.cx [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:39:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.3/4077/Mon Aug 27 14:40:44 2007 on server.baldwin.cx X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=4.2 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on server.baldwin.cx Cc: src-committers@freebsd.org, peterjeremy@optushome.com.au, yar@comp.chem.msu.su, eischen@vigrid.com, cvs-all@freebsd.org, cvs-src@freebsd.org, kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu, "M. Warner Losh" Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/lib/libc/gen fts-compat.c fts-compat.h X-BeenThere: cvs-src@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the src tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:40:06 -0000 On Monday 27 August 2007 02:57:41 pm Alfred Perlstein wrote: > Sorry for top posting, but... > > I agree very strongly with Warner, in short, if possible, reducing the > number of major gotchas of running current will make our developer > and early adopters a lot happier. > > It will help FreeBSD. > > One of the things that turns me off to FreeBSD is the feeling that > I get that certain people take some kind of pride in forcing users > to go through dangerous and complex hoops in order to run current. > > It shouldn't be so if the overhead of making it easier is so small. It has zero to do with pride, but it does have a lot to do with allowing HEAD to be a branch for development as opposed to the stable branches that are more intended with deployment. Those are quite different feature sets. -- John Baldwin