From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 13 23:17:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24BD16A403 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 23:17:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [209.31.154.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66E2543D4C for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 23:17:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [209.31.154.41]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 944CA46D41; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:17:20 +0100 (BST) From: Robert Watson X-X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: "Edward B. DREGER" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061014001314.P96390@fledge.watson.org> References: <451F6E8E.8020301@freebsd.org> <20061011102106.GY1594@obiwan.tataz.chchile.org> <20061011114110.GA23653@soaustin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: [fbsd] HEADS UP: FreeBSD 5.3, 5.4, 6.0 EoLs coming soon X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 23:17:21 -0000 On Thu, 12 Oct 2006, Edward B. DREGER wrote: > Perhaps work on 7 should have been delayed until 5 and 6 were able to woo > people away from 4 -- or at least not leave valid reasons for people wanting > to stay behind. (Note that I'm more sympathetic than my tone might > indicate; I've also gotten into some jams from long release cycles, and know > what it's like.) I think this misconstrues the trade-off. That's like saying "Work on 5.x instead of 6.x". 6.x is 5.x, just significantly refined and improved. 7.x is 6.x, just significantly refined and improved. There are some improvements that are too agressive to MFC, and those are what will constitute the difference between 6.x and 7.0. For example, there are a set of socket layer stabilization/cleanup improvements that I've not yet MFC'd, and may not do so (they've been in the tree for 6-7 months and appear to be good, but need a lot of shake-out). But many of the changes going into 7.x sit there for a period of a few months to stabilize, and then go into 6.x. Right now this MFC pipeline is working quite well, but it's worth keeping in mind that if we MFC'd all the improvements from 6.x to 5.x, it would simply be 6.x, and it would be easier if people switched to 6.x than have us merge all the changes. :-) Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge > > What's done is done, though. Rather than spend undue effort on 4 and 5, > improving 6 and 7 is the best way to improve the newer branches... which > might well remove objections to jumping from 4. i.e., I like 4.x just as > much as anyone else, but there's a bigger picture to consider. > > *shrug* > > As others have pointed out, if things really are "that bad", third-party > support makes sense. And nothing is stopping anyone from running > NetBSD, DragonFly, or OpenBSD. Or Solaris. Or Linux. Or... > > [ end bikeshed contribution ] > > > Eddy > -- > Everquick Internet - http://www.everquick.net/ > A division of Brotsman & Dreger, Inc. - http://www.brotsman.com/ > Bandwidth, consulting, e-commerce, hosting, and network building > Phone: +1 785 865 5885 Lawrence and [inter]national > Phone: +1 316 794 8922 Wichita > ________________________________________________________________________ > DO NOT send mail to the following addresses: > davidc@brics.com -*- jfconmaapaq@intc.net -*- sam@everquick.net > Sending mail to spambait addresses is a great way to get blocked. > Ditto for broken OOO autoresponders and foolish AV software backscatter. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >