From owner-svn-src-all@freebsd.org Tue Oct 27 17:04:07 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0783EA1F9AC for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2015 17:04:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) Received: from erouter6.ore.mailhop.org (erouter6.ore.mailhop.org [54.187.213.119]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB6511CB0 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2015 17:04:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) Received: from ilsoft.org (unknown [73.34.117.227]) by outbound3.ore.mailhop.org (Halon Mail Gateway) with ESMTPSA; Tue, 27 Oct 2015 17:03:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rev (rev [172.22.42.240]) by ilsoft.org (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t9RH3war030282; Tue, 27 Oct 2015 11:03:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <1445965438.91534.97.camel@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: svn commit: r290010 - vendor/ntp From: Ian Lepore To: Dmitry Morozovsky Cc: Gleb Smirnoff , svn-src-all@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org, svn-src-vendor@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 11:03:58 -0600 In-Reply-To: References: <201510261538.t9QFcwog014561@repo.freebsd.org> <1445960773.91534.89.camel@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.16.5 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 17:04:07 -0000 On Tue, 2015-10-27 at 19:45 +0300, Dmitry Morozovsky wrote: > On Tue, 27 Oct 2015, Ian Lepore wrote: > > > > > Log: > > > > Document NTP import procedure, using experience from the last > > > one. > > > > > > BTW: > > > > > > marck@freefall:~> ntpq -c pe > > > remote refid st t when poll reach delay > > > offset jitter > > > > ===================================================================== > > > ========= > > > +ntp0.ysv.freebs 95.87.161.134 4 u 296 1024 377 0.422 > > > -0.620 0.598 > > > *ntp1.ysv.freebs 39.86.174.157 3 u 443 1024 377 0.405 > > > 0.904 0.239 > > > +ntp2.ysv.freebs 65.182.224.39 3 u 617 1024 377 0.434 > > > 1.225 1.014 > > > marck@freefall:~> ntpdc -c pe > > > localhost: timed out, nothing received > > > ***Request timed out > > > > > > I did not bisect to find when this brokes, but it is for quite > some > > > time. > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > That's not broken, it's a "feature" of the newer ntpd. The ntpd > folks > > decided to stop supporting the old mode-7 control packets because > they > > say the mode-6 packets used by ntpq can do everything necessary. > That > > means we all have to learn some new commands within ntpq to get the > > info and controls we're used to with ntpdc. There are things I'm > used > > to doing with ntpdc that I haven't figured out how to do with ntpq > yet, > > foremost being 'addserver'. > > well, why not to exclude ntpdc from building then? A least for 11.* > I think it's because you may be running on 10-stable or 11 but still need to administer downrev ntpd running on 8.2 or whatever, so you would still need ntpdc to talk to those. Note that this is speculation... I don't know for sure that they had to add anything to ntpd itself to help ntpq take over all the functionality of ntpdc. -- Ian