From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 4 13:29:00 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2AEB16A4CE for ; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 13:28:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts13.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67D5E43D4C for ; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 13:28:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dlavigne6@sympatico.ca) Received: from [192.168.2.87] ([64.230.30.218]) by tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.netESMTP <20040704132858.YLVY21087.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@[192.168.2.87]> for ; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 09:28:58 -0400 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 09:31:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Dru X-X-Sender: dlavigne6@dru.domain.org To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <40E758D9.9060609@softweyr.com> Message-ID: <20040704083710.A546@dru.domain.org> References: <20040702183604.A41037-100000@xena.mikey.net> <40E758D9.9060609@softweyr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: direction for training X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 13:29:00 -0000 Okay, I'm the one that re-opened this can of worms. And I'd like to start sorting through them so that this time something concrete starts to happen. Here's some of the pieces we have to start with: 1. An increasing pool of BSD knowledge resources--a totally revamped handbook, the books by McKusick, Lucas, Anderson, Lehey, Tiemann and myself, and online tutorials such as those at Onlamp. Quality information is definitely out there, but it is left to the user to figure it out on their own. In itself, that's a great intro to troubleshooting and the life of a sysadmin. However, it does leave knowledge gaps that would be better addressed by the combo of a good curriculum/good instructor. 2. The training provided by Daemonnews and Pugent Sound Technology are an excellent start at addressing the big void of nothingness. However, BSD needs a bigger training vision. Something that results in a tangible something (diploma or certificate) stamped by a governing body that holds recognition. And something that addresses the availability issue. Training that is only available in a handful of US cities is useless to the 99% of the user base that doesn't have ready access to those cities or the funds to get there. I think we've proved several times in the past that developing that training vision won't happen with another week long thread in the advocacy list. It'll take a handful of dedicated people with some time and the willingness to work together to hammer out the details, do the research, and start the necessary balls rolling. (Keep in mind that handful of people will need a lot of input from the entire BSD community). We have an opportunity to put together some quality training for a quality OS. The talent we need to put it all together is definitely out there; the need is definitely out there. The question is, how do we start? David and Mike have made potential offers of a mailing list. Paul has started a wiki with some excellent starting points. Let's pick one to be the official resource so we can advertise its existence so interested parties know where to contribute. Whatever avenue is taken, it'll be messy during the first phase of brainstorming... Also, I see all 3 BSDs as BSD and would like to see a curriculum that addresses all aspects of BSD. Do others agree that this shouldn't be a FreeBSD-baby and should be open to input from all of the BSDs? I better go drink some coffee. Dru