From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 22 08:40:11 2012 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19347106566B for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 08:40:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller23@insightbb.com) Received: from mail.insightbb.com (smtp3.insight.synacor.com [208.47.185.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C19F38FC0C for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 08:40:10 +0000 (UTC) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=86GbDLi7NS7TegNzg0A2mmhQWIv0QOIIryOgdPqEZ2g= c=1 sm=0 a=jLN7EqiLvroA:10 a=92czzIUlAAAA:8 a=1ZKkCfeIhQMLnwnzEuYA:9 a=Q/oqmR4JO1zR3vNQamCQeQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp02.insight.synacor.com header.from=mueller23@insightbb.com; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: smtp02.insight.synacor.com smtp.mail=mueller23@insightbb.com; spf=softfail; sender-id=softfail Received-SPF: softfail (smtp02.insight.synacor.com: transitional domain insightbb.com does not designate 74.134.26.53 as permitted sender) Received: from [74.134.26.53] ([74.134.26.53:36604] helo=localhost) by mail.insightbb.com (envelope-from <mueller23@insightbb.com>) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r(29895/29896)) with ESMTP id CB/60-12873-46F24EF4; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 04:40:04 -0400 Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 04:40:04 -0400 Message-ID: <CB.60.12873.46F24EF4@smtp02.insight.synacor.com> From: "Thomas Mueller" <mueller23@insightbb.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Antonio Olivares <olivares14031@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Why Clang X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 08:40:11 -0000 On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 01:06:12PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >for commercial sponsors of FreeBSD, it has zero bearing on FreeBSD itself. If FreeBSD appears > >as a subsidiary of some commercial company (say Juniper) i am not sure this will be good > > I think any project that size is actually a subsidiary and must be. > > I just don't like that it isn't stated openly! It is nothing wrong, > unless one can feed using zero point energy, everyone needs money to > stay alive. > > Wouldn't it be smarter to openly say "Juniper request as to get rid > o GPL as soon as we can because they are fed up with this shit and > law mess." instead of personal attacks, messing with my (and others) > sentences and posting evident lies just to "explain" the decision. > > It is a difference between honest people and fools. > > i already proposed (but not publically) to turn FreeBSD into > commercial system. > > REALLY i would not see a problem to pay say 100$ per server licence. from Chad Perrin: > I would see a problem with that -- not because I don't think FreeBSD is > worth it. I do, and I think it is worth more than that, in fact. The > biggest problem with what you propose, though, is that it would destroy > the social factors in development of the FreeBSD system that make it what > it is, and thus destroy FreeBSD itself, as far as I am concerned. > Eliminating the copyfree licensed, open source development model of > FreeBSD would undermine the majority of the technical benefits supported > by that development model. > I would have thought that even you should be able to understand that > without help. (snip) Turning FreeBSD into a commercial system would turn a lot of users to other BSD or Linux, myself included. I ran IBM OS/2 from 1.3 to (Warp) 4 until a disk crash in April 2001, after which I was never again able to boot any OS/2, and I sure tried. Closed source was one severe drawback, why I certainly prefer either Linux or FreeBSD. Actually there is a continuation/successor to OS/2, namely eComStation (www.ecomstation.com) but no way would I go that way! Either Linux or FreeBSD is far ahead now! There actually is/was a closed-source BSD (BSDI), and there is Mac OS X, with BSD under the covers. Tom