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[76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x42sm48131041yhd.3.2012.06.10.13.56.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 10 Jun 2012 13:56:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3W9V5s4QQNz2CG46 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 16:56:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 16:56:49 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120610165649.3408f6ad@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <201206102006.q5AK6Qts083905@fire.js.berklix.net> References: <201206102006.q5AK6Qts083905@fire.js.berklix.net> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkXh3diN+rr5AWooXc/nzdJ/wYaWIZrtMKFAN93IFor1E+g1/5sk7KufFEvPfdw3scUl2O5 Subject: Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 20:56:53 -0000 On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 22:06:26 +0200 Julian H. Stacey articulated: >Too much hot air & preaching to the choir is counter productive >& would die away after internal argument. Better be active Externaly. >Defend our future by alerting governments there is an upcoming issue. >(eg EU has mega fined MS before for monopoly abuse, EU etc could warn >off MS if we alert governments there's something to monitor). > >Free source OSs, ie inc *BSD & *Linux etc, need to co-ordinate with eg > - A few short anodyne sentences summarising the MS Win8 UEFI > problem, (better too little text than too much, to reduce work, > avoid risk of discredit from getting anything wrong). > - List of links to specification & analysis & discussion forums. > - List of contacts to alert: politicians & officials responsible > for anti monopoly & anti restraint of trade policing. > - List of volunteers: people in each OS project to contact > governments. > - A brief simple sample letter to send to alert politicians & > officials (maybe via paper post or phone, not email to spam > box ;-) > >As a start here's : http://berklix.org/uefi/ > >URLs welcome. Contact names welcome. Volunteers welcome. It is posts like this that basically turn my stomach. A product, any product, should succeed or fail based on its own merits and not because some government agency aided or thwarted it. Most, it not nearly all PC manufacturers exist solely because of Microsoft. The PC market balloons every time Microsoft releases a new version of Windows. Seriously now, how many PC were sold because FreeBSD released version 9 of its OS? If you want to beat someone, you make a better product. You don't go running to your mamma asking for protection. That stinks of socialism/fascism. The UEFI specification has existed for years. Supposedly, Linux has been capable of using it for 8+ years. I have no idea if FreeBSD is even capable of handling it. It wouldn't surprise me it if couldn't though. What this really tells me is that there has been way to much procrastination by the FOSS. Microsoft simply took advantage of an existing standard (remember "standards" something the FOSS is always crying about) and now FOSS is begging for mercy. This is more than just slightly funny, it is pathetic. If 1% of the effort of spreading this BS over UEFI had gone into working on a solution for UEFI two years ago, we wouldn't be having this discussion at all. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________