From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 6 05:47:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B42BF16A405 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 05:47:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apatewna@yahoo.gr) Received: from deliver.hol.gr (deliver.hol.gr [62.38.3.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3561613C455 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 05:47:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apatewna@yahoo.gr) Received: from auth-smtp.hol.gr (takeit02.mail.dc.hol.net [192.168.20.72]) by deliver.hol.gr (8.12.11/8.11.6) with ESMTP id l365lnVq004615 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256 bits) verified OK); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:47:49 +0300 Received: from [192.168.1.20] (ppp086-165.dsl.hol.gr [89.210.86.165]) (authenticated bits=0) by auth-smtp.hol.gr (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l365lpbv025830; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:47:52 +0300 Message-ID: <4615DF18.2010509@yahoo.gr> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 08:48:08 +0300 From: Apatewna User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Marc G. Fournier" References: <6CA6C97D06E79340EB171208@ganymede.hub.org> <4614B455.1040702@unsane.co.uk> <767C29A59B98547523A26E9A@ganymede.hub.org> In-Reply-To: <767C29A59B98547523A26E9A@ganymede.hub.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.90/3026/Fri Apr 6 06:00:29 2007 on takeit02.mail.dc.hol.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Vince , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Chris Hesselrode Subject: Re: Virtual Hosting Control Panel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: apatewna@yahoo.gr List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 05:47:56 -0000 O/H Marc G. Fournier έγραψε: >>>>> >> Theres always raqdevil (www/raqdevil http://www.raqdevil.com/) although >> i'm afraid its BSD not GPL Licenced ;) > > First thing in favor of it, the BSD license ... second, developed under FreeBSD > :) > ...third it is abandoned http://www.freshports.org/www/raqdevil I have sworn to never touch a web interface for an application again, unless it is something in the lines of SWAT for Samba or qmailadmin. Other web-based panels although nice and handy, they just add another layer of complexity and bugs. My main experience is with webmin. I remember a couple of months ago when I installed squid and webmin to create a "proxy product". I tried to implement bandwidth management through webmin and failed for no apparent reason. Not to mention clicking various buttons for more than ten times, to change the appropriate values. After too much effort, I manually edited squid.conf and realized that all the bandwidth management was done in a single three-digit line of text, which webmin kept screwing arround. So why bother with the extra bloat? Furthermore, try to setup a mail server using a web panel. When the server breaks you will have two things to consider: a) if the mail package caused the problem b) if the web-panel caused the problem I have seen webmin adding crontab entries by wrapping all of them into a perl script and cronning this particular script. Imagine the frustration when for some reason perl gets hosed. Suddenly your crontab is not working, how could you possibly imagine that the above perl-wrapping exists so that you can correct it? Webmin is nice, I have installed it several times back in my learning days and it has helped me get a jumpstart in testing. But now when considering professional use, I'd rather skip it so that I have less things to worry about. -- RTFM and STFW before anything bad happens _________________________________________ Thanasis Rizoulis Electronic Computing Systems Engineer Larissa, Greece FreeBSD/PCBSD user