From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 23 10:12:53 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 194C710656A7; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 10:12:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [87.229.73.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C886A8FC14; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 10:12:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.mypc.hu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E012214DC79D; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:12:51 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at server.mypc.hu Received: from server.mypc.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id sh+De72yGKgs; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:12:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.105] (catv-80-99-92-167.catv.broadband.hu [80.99.92.167]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4215D14DC75D; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:12:49 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4C7249A0.7010507@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:12:48 +0200 From: Gabor Kovesdan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; pt-PT; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100802 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Barton References: <4C6CD229.1010401@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <4C6CD229.1010401@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: delphij@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: BSD grep performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 10:12:53 -0000 Em 2010.08.19. 8:41, Doug Barton escreveu: > >> The performance is now almost comparable to GNU grep. > > I think you're using a very liberal definition of "comparable." Ok, comparable for the casual cases but not generally comparable. > >> I think with this, BSD grep may remain default if no other serious >> issues come up. > > I'm not going to re-state my opinion here except to say it hasn't > changed. Even if the performance were not an issue I think the bugs > mentioned below combined with your 4-day absence should also have been > considerations. However, in regards to this particular case I think > it's pretty obvious that I'm either alone, or in a very non-vocal > group; so c'est la vie. I think the 4-day absence was not such a big deal given that we are talking about -current, I just wanted to let you know that I would not be responsive because of absence not ignorance. Other people also felt in the same way; it's fine to allow a short unstable period in -current to get things arranged. > > However, from the standpoint of committer relations I think that first > stating that you would change the default, then not doing so before > all of the outstanding issues were resolved is not what I would > consider a good model for others to follow. > I've just changed it back. No, I didn't lie to you, I just wanted to reevaluate if the remaining difference in ther performance was acceptable. We improved it a lot since you let us know about this problem and there is possibility that further improvements are to happen soon. I thank you that you helped the process with valuable feedback but I think it could have been done in a less noisy way and arrogant way. You called the attention to the performance problem, which is fine and necessary but I'd have reacted in the same way if you hadn't CC'd core@ in the very first mail and hadn't included the "Official request" words in the subject. But I know that there are people, who feel them so important that they have to always call the attention in the noisy way (ego in the Buddhist meaning) and I also have some personal problems that I feel bothered by such type of behaviour. This is a sign for me that I have to practice more acceptance and patience in the life. Gabor