From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Fri Apr 10 18:13:22 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 384432C4E86 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2020 18:13:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from debdrup@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48zR2p0gJLz4Ncf for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2020 18:13:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from debdrup@freebsd.org) Received: from mail-yb1-f173.google.com (mail-yb1-f173.google.com [209.85.219.173]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) (Authenticated sender: debdrup) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 011BC4E3F for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2020 18:13:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from debdrup@freebsd.org) Received: by mail-yb1-f173.google.com with SMTP id e17so1626484ybq.0 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2020 11:13:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuayChZc7sQEoc7+ijwNIduzwVKAuIOmJapKaY+z3hrGzMg+Xd8S fl1eycv2867OOrktUmO587+OOFMGLHuuwZ7HrQG/XA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypKK+xXK1CKqYypPabwCxmD4R+fWuxyYbty1r6PO0+VwBtFjrLNWxBKZsfAAJC0VAH8pwHMPe0VoRsLrQ++CnJg= X-Received: by 2002:a25:4241:: with SMTP id p62mr9181534yba.242.1586542401449; Fri, 10 Apr 2020 11:13:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a25:6006:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Apr 2020 11:13:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20200410164704.20942a6644bd1c122d1dd17c@gmail.com> References: <20200410164704.20942a6644bd1c122d1dd17c@gmail.com> From: Daniel Ebdrup Jensen Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 20:13:20 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ars Technica article on FreeBSD new user experience To: Alfonso Siciliano Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 18:13:22 -0000 On 4/10/20, Alfonso Siciliano wrote: > On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 15:05:32 -0400 > Ed Maste wrote: > >> Jim Salter has an article in Ars Technica discussing his experience >> with FreeBSD 12.1 as a desktop: >> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/04/not-actually-linux-distro-review-freebsd-12-1-release/ >> >> There are some points in there that might involve misunderstanding, >> but there are also a number of real issues raised about the experience >> a new (or newish) desktop FreeBSD user will have. It will be a good >> idea for us to examine these, and offer advice or corrections if >> appropriate, and otherwise look how we can improve the FreeBSD >> experience for new users. > > I think a Debian tasksel-like utility can be a key improvement > (I could work on it) > > "Collection Software" > > [ ] FreeBSD desktop environment > [ ] ... GNOME > [ ] ... KDE > [ ] ... XFCE > [ ] Laptop > [ ] ... Nvidia Optimus > [ ] ... Intel drm-kmod > [ ] Office > and so on > > However, my installation is 2 years old, I don't know the > current features of bsdinstall. > > Alfonso > > --- > Alfonso S. Siciliano > http://alfix.gitlab.io > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Just on the off-chance that you (or anyone else following this thread) isn't aware of it, Devin Teske recently announced work much like this [1], and Devin took over maintainership/work on bsdinstall from Nathan Whitehorn, so it's in the best hands possible. :) [1]: https://twitter.com/freebsdfrau/status/1248671577392033792