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Date:      Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:01:26 -0600
From:      Scott Long <scottl@samsco.org>
To:        obrien@freebsd.org
Cc:        freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Recommendations?
Message-ID:  <42654776.9010205@samsco.org>
In-Reply-To: <20050419173957.GC26152@dragon.NUXI.org>
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David O'Brien wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2005 at 01:05:00PM +0200, Dag-Erling Smrgrav wrote:
> 
>>"O. Hartmann" <ohartman@mail.uni-mainz.de> writes:
>>
>>>My question si: how to force nVidia delivering the needed
>>>informations? It should be an aspect of customer demand. nVidia
>>>earns money with each sold nForce based motherboard and each GForce
>>>based graphics card and the better the support, the more they can
>>>sell.
>>
>>Why would they care about FreeBSD users?  Unlike Linux, FreeBSD has
>>approximately zero brainshare in the computer press, and unlike
>>FreeBSD, Linux runs perfectly well on nForce chipsets.  In fact, the
>>Asus SK8N which David loathes is "Linux-certified".
> 
> 
> You have NO idea how many hoops Linux jumps thru to run on the Asus SK8N.
> Let me repeat to you again -- _I_ was the first person to try to run
> 64-bit Linux on this motherboard.  It didn't work.  The Linux kernel grew
> many, many patches to deal with this motherboard and so you should be
> saying it is only "Linux-certified" for newer versions of Linux.
> 
> However, I can run older FreeBSD versions on both AMD and VIA baesd
> motherboards (ie, FreeBSD versions released before the chipsets were
> produced).  What does that tell you??
> 
> 
>>If I didn't already know that FreeBSD is perfect and flawless and that
>>David is the Christ reborn, I'd be tempted to conclude that there is
>>something wrong with FreeBSD (or David), not with the nForce chipset.
> 
> 
> If I didn't already know DES was a huge ass....
>  

Enough of this junk on this list.  DES's proposal for mixed mode in
5.4 has the full support of the RE team, and as I said in another email
it has no performance impact while expanding compatibility.

Scott



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