From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sun Aug 20 14:28:11 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A98EDD65B4 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 14:28:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Received: from smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (smtpo.poczta.interia.pl [217.74.65.156]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C44B766713; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 14:28:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 16:26:59 +0200 From: vermaden Subject: RE: FreeBSD 10.4-BETA1 Now Available To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Cc: marius@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: interia.pl/pf09 X-Originating-IP: 195.3.152.175 Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=biztos; t=1503239220; bh=BO2guakAgiOcgWseBE9OLEimPAOLr64cvt4qk6bqTn4=; h=Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:X-Mailer:X-Originating-IP:Message-Id: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Wjp4oplbSUCpZAzC8hlfbD1G4g0iOJo0SUaZh9LMOSA0e5gpWcL34QBG3xKhBTQke JSQvHXt0m8jsNY0BwLnz4VuGFjvpJTgIQfxlbcnjcf6FzgL2zWFuJfGXjB6JMsfOUq y/PI6gM4hKgBdZ0TKcAce7AHx7pdtpeGTPDhFglo= X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 14:28:11 -0000 Hi, as FreeBSD 10.4 will become RELEASE in a while and as 11.1 had became RELEASE not that while ago how one can tell what is the real difference between 10.4 and 11.1 FreeBSD versions? There are documents that show differences since last release like 11.1 Release Notes shows whats new since 11.0 or soon to be complete 10.4 Release Notes that will show what changed since 10.3, but not between 10.4 and 11.1. I use FreeBSD since 2005 and I am more then familiar with FreeBSD, and I am not able to 'get' these differences ... I know only one difference about physical Wireless Network interfaces, that in 11.0 they show up as ** sysctl net.wlan.devices ** and not in **ifconfig** (opposite what OpenBSD is doing where even wpa_supplicant is not needed ad everything for wireless is done by ifconfig). I will remain silent about that 'brilliant idea', but how a newcomer can tell the difference? Regards, vermaden