From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 25 10:30:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1B241065676 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:30:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3478FC13 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:30:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QlIQI-0006Rl-77 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:30:06 +0200 Received: from c-82-209-158-57.cust.bredband2.com ([82.209.158.57]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:30:06 +0200 Received: from mc by c-82-209-158-57.cust.bredband2.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:30:06 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Cardell Widerkrantz Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:09:08 +0200 Organization: Temple of the Moby Hack Lines: 48 Message-ID: <86wrf6y8mz.fsf@brain.hack.org> References: <20110717071059.25971662@scorpio> <4E22DFE9.7050007@pathscale.com> <201107172016.30727.lobo@bsd.com.br> <4E23989F.7010701@gmail.com> <4e242fab.s4vpgxxZEUq0LFDq%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <1311017168.44397.YahooMailRC@web36508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <13800_1311018255_4E248D0F_13800_81_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499C521864F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-82-209-158-57.cust.bredband2.com User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (berkeley-unix) Cancel-Lock: sha1:+BY6p/xHa1tARcdrsDOZVM6RYQQ= Subject: Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:30:09 -0000 Gary Gatten , 2011-07-18 21:44 (+0200): > I've always been curious why "Linux" seemed to take off so fast when > other FOSS / non Winblow$ OS's were available for some time with not > much traction; OS/2, BeOS, *nix with X11, etc. I'm not sure what you mean by "fast" here. It took a few years, at least. I think most of the initial users of Linux were frustrated Minix users and then MS-DOS users who would otherwise had gone to Minix. I bet most of them didn't know about any alternatives. I, for one, certainly didn't know about 386BSD when it was released in 1992. By then I was using SunOS (not Solaris!) on a Sun 3/60 at home and was no stranger to BSD, but still didn't know anything about the 386BSD efforts. I first met Linux systems at work in 1995. Several developers dual booted it on their standard issue PCs to get a better X terminal than the crappy proprietary X server on Windows 3.11 the company had bought. I was one of the lucky ones with a real NCD X terminal so I didn't even have a PC in my office. > Not just on the desktop, but servers as well. "Supported" versions of > Linux such as RHEL, Suse, etc. seem to have made more headway into the > enterprise computing environment in the last ten years than *BSD did > in the last 30. AFAIK BSD had a tremendous impact on 'servers' [1] and was much used, especially in academical settings. >>From my personal experience - which is relatively limited - it seems > applications just work on Linux? When I need to compile an app, it > takes a few mins on Linux - but may take me a few weeks on FBSD. Weeks to compile!? How slow *is* your computer? *grin* Seriously, I think you have stumbled on a well known problem called All the World's a Linux Syndrome [2]. Many software developers develop for Linux and only for Linux. They don't know much about portability. [1] It seems a bit silly to call VAXen and PDP-11s with character terminals 'servers', but you know what I mean. [2] Previously "All the World's a VAX Syndrome". -- http://hack.org/mc/ Use plain text e-mail, please. OpenPGP welcome, 0xE4C92FA5.