From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 7 17:43:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA21796 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 17:43:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nico.telstra.net (nico.telstra.net [139.130.204.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA21791 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 17:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (gregl1.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.133]) by nico.telstra.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id KAA05782; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 10:41:49 +1000 Received: (grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id KAA16567; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 10:11:47 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19970908101147.19775@lemis.com> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 10:11:47 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Terry Lambert Cc: brian@awfulhak.org, doconnor@Ist.flinders.edu.au, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Divert sockets.. References: <19970908091046.29405@lemis.com> <199709080020.RAA13169@usr08.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: <199709080020.RAA13169@usr08.primenet.com>; from Terry Lambert on Mon, Sep 08, 1997 at 12:20:58AM +0000 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8250 Fax: +61-8-8388-8250 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Fight-Spam-Now: http://www.cauce.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, Sep 08, 1997 at 12:20:58AM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: >>> Sure. I just don't know what packets are triggering it. There's >>> almost nothing running at all (literally; no routed, named, >>> whatever). >> >> Who says it has to be at your end? > > It may not be. I have to run in debug mode first. Maybe later tonight > or tommorrow. Kinda stupid for an ISP to do that, though, and I > doubt PrimeNet is that stupid. I've seen plenty of stupid ISPs, though I don't know PrimeNet. But you don't need to run ppp in debug mode; you can run tcpdump on a tun interface. >>> And there's the annoying localhost DNS lookup, even though host.conf >>> has "hosts" first, and the name of the machine I'm rlogin'ing into >>> is in /etc/hosts (it's myself). It triggers the PPP dial anyway, >>> and I think that should only happen for non-local hosts. >> >> Well, why aren't you running named? It's faster than looking up >> /etc/hosts. And if you don't tell the world it's there, it's not >> going to get any external traffic. > > I will run named, once I get my HP345 stable enough that I want it > up most of the time. Until then, just having a hosts file that > I FTP around is enough. It's really a lot easier with a name daemon. Set cahcing only, and you'll have the added benefit of much reduced lookup time to the outside world. >>>> The thing I don't understand is how re-writing anything is going to >>>> solve a problem where people want the link to shutdown subliminally :-) >>> >>> Change the ground rules on the shutdown, for one... different issues >>> for SLIP/ISDN, for another. >> >> Why? > > Because of the shorter connect time, you can have a shorter idle time > for ISDN, for one. OK, that's reasonable. Anyway, you can specify the idle time per destination, which implies an interface as well. > A number of ISP's in the Seattle area will actually call *you* when > there are packets for you, Good for them! Publish their names, praise them openly. > so you are truly capable of running a server (mail, www, etc.). Right. > For SLIP, it depends. Some people actually still have NetBlazer's. I thought SLIP had emigrated to Russia. Greg