Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 11:38:21 -0400 From: Chad Jacob Milios <freebsd-list@nuos.org> To: Erich Dollansky <freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> Cc: FreeBSD Advocacy <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: CoC does not help in benchmarks Message-ID: <79E1260F-AE10-4F26-B773-3E6A0C699022@nuos.org> In-Reply-To: <20180717172358.400f097d.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> References: <20180714064429.36c6bc43.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> <1E035CAF-99CA-4E53-930C-53CF0018B167@nuos.org> <20180717172358.400f097d.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com>
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> On Jul 17, 2018, at 5:23 AM, Erich Dollansky = <freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> wrote: >=20 > you mean, the money spent on the CoC would not helped to develop = better > code by getting people willing to code for the same amount of money. Now I see your point. Do we know how much was spent on CoC? I get zero = hits for /(coc|conduct)/i on all pdfs linked from the body of = https://www.freebsdfoundation.org/about/financials/ = <https://www.freebsdfoundation.org/about/financials/>; I thought i recall Deb Goodkin said that means its expenditure was = =E2=80=9Cinsignificant=E2=80=9D. I dont have a citation unfortunately = but at some point in the last couple years i wanna say i heard numbers = around $1000 being tossed around but it sounded like conjecture to me at = the time. Am I anywhere near the mark? Did i miss something more = concrete coming out? I still don=E2=80=99t see what=E2=80=99s to get so bent out of shape = about. Is it that y=E2=80=99all want more transparency, finer = granularity, etc? Are coders really leaving or effectively going =E2=80=9C= on strike=E2=80=9D over this? > I come from a background where we say, stop it before it takes over. > What ever bad thing appeared in the past, appeared very smooth, very > gentle, just like this CoC. Ok, i can hear you now. I think you=E2=80=99re saying that just about = EVERY horrific attrocity of human rights in the history of humankind had = at one time began with seemingly good intensions and was touted as = innocent and reasonable. You=E2=80=99re worried our CoC is pointing in = the direction of hindering innovation by stifling free speech and the = exchange of ideas. You wonder if a silent majority is simply leaving = because they recognize this with their gut intuition but are not as = vocal, opinionated or invested as those spearheading the controversy. = (?) Am i close? I have hardly taken in very much of this saga. I=E2=80=99ve = mostly tried to ignore it and not let it distract me from my work or my = participation in The Project. May I politely ask your background, out of curiosity? Is it that = you=E2=80=99re German or Jewish? Would that be a fair question or an = inappropriate presumption? I think i can also feel a bit of what = you=E2=80=99re saying now, that i=E2=80=99m not quite sure if i=E2=80=99m = running afoul of the CoC in asking that question and now my anxiety says = i should just shut up and leave. > The Nineties are over, yes, but is civilisation also over? I don=E2=80=99t think civilization was ever at risk of ending. Lawd, i = hope this isn=E2=80=99t the end of civility in the FreeBSD project. Maybe I=E2=80=99m being melodramatic but this brings to mind something i = read once along the lines of: A peace maintained by force or restriction = cannot be sustained and will eventually explode violently or crumble = chaotically. Or: Without freedom there can be no liberty. Without = liberty there can be no justice. Without justice there can be no lasting = peace. > Of course, people can work on FreeBSD with the new CoC. But do they > have to work? I=E2=80=99m sorry, i don=E2=80=99t think i caught your meaning here.=
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