From owner-freebsd-current Wed Apr 12 18:10:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4501A37B611 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:10:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA30749; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 21:08:39 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 21:08:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: Joe Greco Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Integrating QMAIL in the world In-Reply-To: <200004152124.QAA21700@aurora.sol.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 15 Apr 2000, Joe Greco wrote: > Uh, Chuck, can you tell me how many BIND and Sendmail advisories there have > been in the last five years? > > Wouldn't it be nice if we could just tell newbies, "hey, yeah, that Sendmail > has a known security issue, pkg_delete it and then add this new one here". > Or would you prefer to explain to someone who doesn't "have the least clue > how to do it" how to upgrade BIND and Sendmail to the latest? > > The concept is beneficial from _many_ angles, not just the one I gave. > > Despite my tendency to promote the traditional BSD distribution style, that > does not mean that I feel that everything in FreeBSD should arrive as it did > on the 4.4BSD tape. I think that the ability to be able to select modules > for inclusion or exclusion would be particularly useful. If you want to pick another one and by default install that, fine. If you want to force new users to read all about mailers just to get their first mail working, no, that's just too much, Joe, you're asking too much of folks. If you've got a bone to pick with sendmail, that's ok, but you have to pick a better one. If you can't decide on the best one, then how in the heck do you expect Joe Public to do better? ALWAYS provide sensible default values, not a bunch of expert questions. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include C & Java programming, FreeBSD, chuckr@picnic.mat.net | electronics, communications, and signal processing. New Year's Resolution: I will not sphroxify gullible people into looking up fictitious words in the dictionary. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message