From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 15:22:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F095A1065675 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 15:22:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9867E8FC12 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 15:22:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxg33 with SMTP id 33so224105vxg.13 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 08:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.66.51 with SMTP id c19mr2417462vdt.36.1308496971844; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 08:22:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (twdp-174-109-142-001.nc.res.rr.com [174.109.142.1]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j4sm1483295vdu.7.2011.06.19.08.22.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 19 Jun 2011 08:22:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3QxzbF2vt7z2CG44 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 11:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 11:22:48 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110619112248.7c879c1f@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: <4DFCDE25.2050203@rawbw.com> <20110618180326.GA21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4DFD01B9.5010807@rawbw.com> <20110618212315.GB21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20110619072518.2115dffb@scorpio> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 15:22:55 -0000 On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 15:50:44 +0200 Jurgen Debo articulated: > The fact Microsoft did buy Skype, does worry me too. > The Skype protocol is a closed protocol. SIP is an open standard. Open or closed makes no relative difference to me or the majority of users as has been demonstrated numerous time with various software titles. The bottom line is does it work and what is the learning curve of the product. It has been demonstrated numerous times that the majority of end users do not want to invest large amounts of time trying to get an application configured and up and running. With the exception of the hobbyist, that is virtually always true. > And about Microsoft ? Almost EVERYTHING in hands of Microsoft > turns to a disaster or something which does compromise security, > privacy or whatever. They can't make a secured OS, their servers > are nothing compared to BSD servers, their hypervisors are sh.t as > their messenger took ICQ from the market. And the last one > did piss me off, because in the old days, I got nice dates with > academic people with ICQ. But Messenger killed this all. I am not sure about this ICQ rant. I never was much for IMs anyway. My favorite was Trillian though. I have not used it in several years though. I am still not sure about your rant regarding "messenger vs ICQ". ICQ is certainly still in use; I just checked. I have been in various environment and I been exposed to both Linux and Microsoft servers. I cannot say with any certainty that BSD servers were employed however. In any case, I have never personally experienced any appreciable difference. That, of course, is my own personal observation. The quality of the server is usually, at least in my own experience, directly related to the personnel who are responsible for its configuration and maintenance. > My opinion, when I can get away from Microsoft, I do it. > This company is a complete failure, and I don't belief they will > persist to even exist in a decade due to their policies. Please define "failure". When you control virtually 90% of the PC market, I fail to see how you can call that a failure. They released Kinect in advance of *.nix forcing others to play catch-up. To control any theater of operations you must get ahead of the curve. While hobbyists love anything not Microsoft, in the medical profession, legal profession, etcetera, Microsoft rules. There are highly specialized software written for their operating system that simply does not exist anywhere else. When it comes to Office Suites, there is nothing even remotely close to what Office 10 offers, no matter what flavor you prefer. OO tried for over ten years and never even produced an Office-97 clone that was anywhere as fully functional as the prototype. I have seen grown men and women reduced to tears trying to get OO to accomplish what MS Office could easily do. Again, this is not a criticism but a simple statement of fact. Before anyone can seriously make an attempt to dethrone Microsoft, they have to produce an Office Suite that is as fully functional as and compatible with existing MS Office products. That is just not going to happen in the foreseeable future. I think this tidbit is rather interesting: The German Foreign Office first started using Linux as a server platform in 2001 before making Linux and open source software their default desktop choice in 2005. Most observers thought the move a success. However, the government will now transition back to Windows XP, to be followed by Windows 7, also dropping OpenOffice and Thunderbird in favor of MS Office and Outlook. Until open-source proponents stop blaming Microsoft for their problems and rather focus on making better and easier to use applications the demise of Microsoft is certainly not in sight. Alas, it is easier to blame than to correct so I do not see the status quo ante changing anytime soon. > With Microsoft there is ALWAYS a catch. The same can be said of any OS. For instance, with FreeBSD one catch is that there are virtually no drivers for "N" class wireless devices even though said devices have been available for over 5 years. That is not a knock but rather a fact. There is ALWAYS a catch no matter what OS you are referring to. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html