From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 16:04:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD8A106566B for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:04:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f190.google.com (mail-px0-f190.google.com [209.85.216.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4ADF8FC14 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:04:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi28 with SMTP id 28so1958217pxi.7 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:04:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=OT3qhNj3Oyix++UEk2W/0nQxfdwkmgxsPprLplAa2sk=; b=Ijgq/EfdTpqeIgqKIZ9C/3PvK6Zb05RF7N/RZL6jealXxrg9ka4QNlxmEp9THJUFwI O9DiuAx5L0JS0TvJfOjV2IuEdeAFjD0rS1UgTX5TbTon1oo0wONKyK8fgO5e/6dWkl1+ FlC0MyRi3jgFHZy13BtovbS3DfZGUeQsWlKi0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=Xv+JfgCXxT9sH/kuD+7/0YUUqCZZwdfLYqFGyUEUAE8iAEJ/D3juTwEPSkFLwnWUvV Od0WFkBfPyxgcCa9HZpf/GVSIjvs84n5SpzV4SQEsirNYDG38oJcCNM++IX8wHycHPsH /15YOQDURCplYEd/hDdLvfw23fBEeJvuepbm4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.75.16 with SMTP id x16mr175600wfa.155.1256918658326; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:04:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <370279.86430.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:04:18 -0500 Message-ID: <6201873e0910300904v5767894bkec0e7543e28aa951@mail.gmail.com> From: Adam Vande More To: Freminlins Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Neil Short , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Effing HAL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:04:19 -0000 On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Freminlins wrote: > I've read the responses and comments here, so don't think I'm ignoring > anyone because I haven't responded directly. > > I rebuilt xorg-server without HAL. I killed hal stone dead and started up > the new (i.e. old-skool) xorg. It all works fine. > > My mouse and keyboard work as specified in the xorg.conf file, rather than > in the new-fangled xml way of doing things or adding setxkbmap to my > xinitrc > file. I am also 18MB of RAM better off. Specifically for Adam, who asks a > rhetorical question about HAL, memory usage and top. The answer for me is > 18MB too much. > No my point was top is not accurate measure of HAL's memory usage. HAL has shared library's just like many other applications. > > My advice to anyone who has problems with X and HAL - rebuild xorg-server > without HAL (it doesn't take long), then start from that base. > > I have to say this HAL way of doing things is using a sledgehammer to crack > a nut. Sure X can be a bit horrible to configure, but HAL itself is ugly, > resource hungry and doesn't work 100%. It seems to be an example of > supposedly making things easier, except when it doesn't work. > This is only because of your misinterpretation of data and failure to RTFM. > > Life is a calm blue ocean once again. > > MF. > > -- Adam Vande More