From owner-svn-src-all@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 30 15:57:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A19D10656C5; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:57:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from harmony.bsdimp.com (bsdimp.com [199.45.160.85]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 377358FC0C; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:57:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.bsdimp.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n0UFs9TH049554; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:54:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:54:34 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20090130.085434.-1555413082.imp@bsdimp.com> To: obrien@FreeBSD.org From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <20090130113402.GB92386@dragon.NUXI.org> References: <200901130653.n0D6rrNX092719@svn.freebsd.org> <20090130015518.GA20404@hades.panopticon> <20090130113402.GB92386@dragon.NUXI.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 5.2 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: svn-src-head@FreeBSD.org, svn-src-all@FreeBSD.org, amdmi3@amdmi3.ru, src-committers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r187132 - head/usr.bin/make X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:57:14 -0000 In message: <20090130113402.GB92386@dragon.NUXI.org> "David O'Brien" writes: : On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 01:55:18AM +0000, Dmitry Marakasov wrote: : > * David E. O'Brien (obrien@FreeBSD.org) wrote: : > : > I think this should be backed out. Those verbose messages: : > - Are completely unexpected, this violates POLA. : : Dmitry, : I'm sorry I disagree. You're complaining about something that is : a feature of FreeBSD 1.x, 2.0 - 3.0, 4.4BSD, all NetBSD versions, : all OpenBSD versions, Sprite, and the Open Group's Open Development : Environment make. David, I've said this before, and I'll say it again: The project is a very different place than in 1994 when 3.0 was released. You can't just unilaterally make such a large, use-visible feature change without discussion. Your history lesson is interesting, but we've moved beyond BSD in so many different ways. Also, I'm pretty sure that you've misread the NetBSD sources, since I never see that output when I build NetBSD. Warner