From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 16:15:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE54D106568F for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:15:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp110.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp110.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3DC098FC0A for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:15:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 21976 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2009 16:15:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OZusx/SnqnIskxGRAn1Ye0nNmDol8tI9SCDR8nWZuxTvdU+lEo7Dce+29GGbSxIWZeuYHY2F+jCyOIPtIKpLqzVoCU5Ep8gcW0RCgG3R5LNd25+5nnfDTf4cq+dNtbZkS1ISHa8uBCG1tK9tQ5/Pc7z63Jm2bVM3+jxSVGPm8Fs= ; Received: from c-67-189-183-172.hsd1.ny.comcast.net (gesbbb@67.189.183.172 with login) by smtp110.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2009 09:15:02 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: yeAAMgKswBATCul4lSbCWspvTA-- X-YMail-OSG: hZsrRxUVM1kB3FLWo_W_Zm52_1M4f5xcK5Jk_SmBis02yRijXWMp2BWsTNCu.WyJlIwPeerCCJVjArsJeGO07fIwB2zF23oVhqIRNJ7Y_vuimMSVwuEUobKvuE4PEzBeAGtRXu9Iw02wTAodd3Sa5Po_PZK4ZIXOhKR3V4i0nrsGBMJmceGZpDaCxeVaUdEiGGuDbb32BeNhe.JpRWhCnRA70htnl.OfFp5HAp2OCSGz2RrB7szVIHxbswcajSD1ofr2YS6K0nQYuJ8ObxIS6CuQn7rS8IPMEJWMwE.GCm4p0UciaTQBC0j9nS9PzaZpcmW9FJFI07ajSM.mQ2fNVMy7nnzZxfCowsibUaW6rq1ENUarb81ORYVyCnlJMTeNOkpxCw43up8nEFoEqschgsspmV562oKyTbwdnMOMsX4ESrDquxcV9FMr_w4MHKTlAo6GzEY9ELHT3uMfXMSwrcdu6dXmE3pQ9Zc- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (scorpio.seibercom.net [192.168.1.103]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: gesbbb@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 00169228A9 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:15:01 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091030121501.6f1f4b1d@scorpio.seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <6201873e0910300904v5767894bkec0e7543e28aa951@mail.gmail.com> References: <370279.86430.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <6201873e0910300904v5767894bkec0e7543e28aa951@mail.gmail.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Effing HAL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:15:03 -0000 On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:04:18 -0500 Adam Vande More replied: >On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Freminlins >wrote: > >> I've read the responses and comments here, so don't think I'm >> ignoring anyone because I haven't responded directly. >> >> I rebuilt xorg-server without HAL. I killed hal stone dead and >> started up the new (i.e. old-skool) xorg. It all works fine. >> >> My mouse and keyboard work as specified in the xorg.conf file, >> rather than in the new-fangled xml way of doing things or adding >> setxkbmap to my xinitrc >> file. I am also 18MB of RAM better off. Specifically for Adam, who >> asks a rhetorical question about HAL, memory usage and top. The >> answer for me is 18MB too much. >> > >No my point was top is not accurate measure of HAL's memory usage. >HAL has shared library's just like many other applications. >> >> My advice to anyone who has problems with X and HAL - rebuild >> xorg-server without HAL (it doesn't take long), then start from >> that base. >> >> I have to say this HAL way of doing things is using a sledgehammer >> to crack a nut. Sure X can be a bit horrible to configure, but HAL >> itself is ugly, resource hungry and doesn't work 100%. It seems to >> be an example of supposedly making things easier, except when it >> doesn't work. > >This is only because of your misinterpretation of data and failure to >RTFM. Once you have to start reading a manual to create a configuration to get basic keyboard to work, things are getting seriously out of hand. A common user should not be required to have a working knowledge of XHTML and obscure directives in order to get a piece of equipment working. -- Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com |::::======= |::::======= |=========== |=========== | If you cannot in the long run tell everyone what you have been doing, your doing was worthless. Edwin Schrodinger