From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 2 14:07:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D197416A401 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 14:07:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@mattsnetwork.co.uk) Received: from mattsnetwork.co.uk (mattsnetwork.co.uk [82.152.140.138]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5755643D45 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 14:07:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from matt@mattsnetwork.co.uk) Received: from workstation1.local.mattsnetwork.co.uk (md001@workstation1.local.mattsnetwork.co.uk [192.168.0.145]) (authenticated bits=0) by mattsnetwork.co.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k42E7alT027131 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 15:07:36 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matt@mattsnetwork.co.uk) From: Matt Dawson To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 15:07:35 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <20060502120040.3E99316A431@hub.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20060502120040.3E99316A431@hub.freebsd.org> X-Face: Zrm9At!%e{M_#Po+[-\; RFQih#L0/\!^6f8JS_1Nz,8`(@bR%|T,c)3:o6my`.sy$Rt)'^)ec9cWp!MmeH^Gp|Afl)BkcH1GENCBqb&wZ$cdqN27uYfD=jU@1:vWXf|)LmuVKo?1wuS68KeDX&3,#wZP2$N1Ao!_'mZOws67 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605021507.35823.matt@mattsnetwork.co.uk> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on central.local.mattsnetwork.co.uk X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/1434/Mon May 1 20:51:00 2006 on central.local.mattsnetwork.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: freebsd-current Digest, Vol 143, Issue 2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 14:07:44 -0000 On Tuesday 02 May 2006 13:00, freebsd-current-request@freebsd.org wrote: > I tend to get snippy towards the end of release cycles, and I apologize > to those I've offended or have been needlessly rude to. You were quite justified, IMHO, and didn't come across as rude at all. Once a branch reaches beta or release candidate, the focus is, and always should be, on testing existing features, not adding new ones. OK, the RocketRAID driver was added for RC2 but that's a one-off safe addition that appears not to affect any other stable code, unlike messing with the build tools at this late stage. Being trapped between pet feature proponents and folks with a timetable cannot be fun and your restraint is admirable, especially considering the already high workload on releng at the moment. Personally, I would not like to see a situation like 5.2 where creature feep and not enough testing made 5.2.1 necessary soon afterwards. The releng team got the blame but it was the demanding pet feature owners that caused the problem, AFAICS. Such things reflect badly on the project as a whole, unlike not being able to view the WMV funny sent by your co-worker from two cubes away, which is trivial by comparison and only reflects on the application's inability to be 64bit clean or being a closed-source binary blob which is only compiled against i386. BTW, running RC2/amd64 and so far it seems rock solid and very fast (empirical evidence only - I don't do synthetic benchmarks as they tend to tempt you to add silly things like -ffast-math to make.conf in a vain attempt to get similar performance to whatever you're testing against on a workload that is rarely likely to crop up in Real Life [TM]). I'm having a few problems with Xorg and a Radeon 9700 on one desktop, but that is nothing to do with the base system. My opinion only, of course. -- Matt Dawson. matt@mattsnetwork.co.uk MTD15-RIPE OpenNIC M_D9 MD51-6BONE