Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 06:54:59 +0000 From: Mark Ovens <mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org> To: Thomas Good <tomg@mailhost.nrnet.org> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Programmers' editor? Message-ID: <19991126065458.A316@marder-1> In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.991125201543.14551A-100000@mailhost.nrnet.org> References: <19991125192634.B316@marder-1> <Pine.LNX.3.96.991125201543.14551A-100000@mailhost.nrnet.org>
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On Thu, Nov 25, 1999 at 08:26:02PM -0500, Thomas Good wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Nov 1999, Mark Ovens wrote:
>
> > OK, I'll comment. Since this emacs v. vi thing has reared it's head
> > again I used emacs instead of vi all day today (I even renamed vi, and
> > symlinked it to emacs to force myself).
> >
> > After the first couple of hours finding my way around (much use of
> > C-h) I got quite productive with it. The biggest difference I had to
> > adjust to was the fact that it doesn't have a command mode, any non
> > Ctrl-, Meta-, Shift-, Esc- chars you type go into the document, but
> > once I got used to that it wasn't so bad.
>
> Mark - I'm sitting here sipping a pint and scratching my head over
> this. I'm wondering aloud why you'd be wanting to lose vi in favour
> of emacs. (?)
>
I'm not trying to lose vi in favour of emacs, I just think it will
be good to know both. I can see that Emacs has a lot of useful
features; running compilers & debuggers directly from the editor
for example, and much better handling of multiple files.
> First off, vi works well and most of us who use it, for whatever reason,
> have significant chunks of time invested in getting the console to
> stop beeping at us!
>
> Secondly, I once heard a very convincing argument for learning and using
> vi. If you get hired to work on a unix box, no matter what the
> implementation, it will have vi. Not so emacs, at least not immediately.
>
I will continue to use both.
> I'm so used to vi
I was so used to Windows (and OS/2) once over but I still started
using FreeBSD. Guess I like having lots of strings to my bow :)
> (not claiming proficiency tho) that I make it the default
> editor for email on the servers on my network. Got tired of PICO complaining
> everytime I tried to go to command mode...or execute various commands
> when I've forgotten where I was. ;-)
>
> > PERL has been described as "the duct tape of the Internet"
> > and "the Unix Swiss Army chainsaw"
>
> Yes - quite true. For those of us who are incurable shell scripters, as
> opposed to programmers, perl has the look and feel of C but we can still
> manage to get something done!
>
> BTW, I once thought about complaining to Larry Wall that Perl doesn't
> have an application development environment (except for the windows
> incarnation). Then it ocurred to me - it does. vi. ;-)
>
> Cheers,
> Tom Good
>
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